ie8 fix
madison

Hardware 2.0

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Netflix price hike creates social media firestorm

By | July 13, 2011, 4:31am PDT

It seems that people are unhappy with Netflix and its decision to change the pricing plans and effectively raise the price of the DVD rental plan by 60%. Very, very, very unhappy.

For those of you who’ve not been keeping up, I’ll let my colleague Rachel King explain the changes:

“For subscribers who still want both unlimited streaming and at least the unlimited one DVD out at-a-time plan, they’ll have to fork over $15.98 per month (thus, $7.99 + $7.99). For reference, up until now, the rate for the comparative unlimited DVD and streaming plan has been $9.99 per month.”

What’s not mentioned is the reason behind this change. According to CNN Money, Netflix has been forced to hike prices because it needs to find some extra $2 billion in content costs for the studios next year. That’s not walking around money, and it seems that Netflix is asking customers to turn out their pockets to foot this bill. ZDNet editor-in-chief Larry Dignan agrees - “Netflix’s price changes are all about the dollars.”

Netflix throws the phrase “terrific value” around a lot in its announcement of the price changes, but customers feel differently. Very differently. In fact, within minutes of the announcement a social media fireball erupted, with Netflix at its center.

Poll

Netflix customers - How do you feel about the price hike?

First, there are the comments on the announcement blog post itself. These are pretty dire.

Are you F#**!!@! kidding me?

Way to go again Netflix - Divide and Conquer - EPIC FAIL!!

I know I’ll be cancelling my service and going with Blockbuster soon.

Sept.1 I’ll be canceling.I do without cable I think I can do without Netflix.

Peace out. You’re streaming selection is horrible anyway.

Thanks netflix, you just increased my bill too! Currently I am paying 9.99 for 1 DVD and Unlimited Streaming and you want me to pay 15.98!? Tell me how that is cheaper than 9.99.

Netflix also has Facebook comments, which also describe the price changes as a ball of FAIL:

Twitter is also a Netflix bloodbath. The trending topic “Dear Netflix” was the epicenter for most of the hate and rage directed against Netflix.

I did find someone who is still happy with Netflix …

My take … well, I don’t think Netflix made this move out of greed. The company’s bills are going to increase and it needs a way to keep the lights on. That said, I don’t think that the company has done a good job of communicating the reason behind the change.

The change might not be all bad either … it makes people look at their subscription and ask whether they really want/need/use it. It also makes people look around for a different or better suited deal. Also not a bad thing.

Kick off your day with ZDNet's daily e-mail newsletter. It's the freshest tech news and opinion, served hot. Get it.

Topics

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology.

Disclosure

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

All opinions expressed on Hardware 2.0 are those of Adrian Kingsley-Hughes. Every effort is made to ensure that the information posted is accurate. If you have any comments, queries or corrections, please contact Adrian via the email link here. Any possible conflicts of interest will be posted below. [Updated: February 23, 2010] - Adrian Kingsley-Hughes has no business relationships, affiliations, investments, or other actual/potential conflicts of interest relating to the content posted so far on this blog.

Biography

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

Related Discussions on TechRepublic

Did you know you can take part in these discussions with your ZDNet membership?
289
Comments

Join the conversation!

Just In

RE: Netflix price hike creates social media firestorm
Phandl@... 19th Sep
@Mike (not Cox) The studios see a gold mine so they want to squeeze out all the juice. Netflix's rate plan could have been much higher. It's still a great deal to be able to choose a movie and watch it when you want to without needing to buy the DVD. Besides, they offer movies I would never of thought of watching and to my surprise they turn out to be goods movies. No one like to pay extra for anything. But not having having it or instituting commercials would be unacceptable as an alternative.
In Canada we only have unlimited streaming for $7.99/month, though the ridiculous bandwidth caps make that rather limited anyway (major ISPs who also happen to be cable and satellite companies lowered the bandwidth caps on most of their packages when Netflix started here last fall...) Selection is still limited because they're having a hard time getting the distribution rights (some of which are owned by parent or sister companies of the cable/satellite Cos.) Add to that studios smelling the money (with Netflix becoming increasingly popular), and it's not surprising that all of a sudden Netflix have to increase their prices. Netflix is a good deal for consumers, and their competitors don't like that, and the studios/content owners want to squeeze out more out of them. Unfortunately in the end it's the customer that loses - Netflix has to pay, and they can't run a money-losing business so they have to pass on the cost.

I'm predicting a price increase in Canada soon - lots of lobbyists for "artists" and such want a piece of Netflix's pie and the money will have to come from somewhere.

It's called "ruining a good thing."
Hate to say it however this is exactly why most, not all, people pirate media. I have tried to go the legal route however now that the studios are the source, I have cancelled my membership...to Pirate Bay I will go. Hey Netflix and MPAA...see ya's wink.
@mbehmazia@... I agree completely. I have no problems paying for content if it's reasonable....but when prices become unreasonable, I turn to piracy.

I had the three DVD plan - mainly out of laziness; I would keep the DVD's for weeks - but with the price increase I switched to the 2 DVD plan. Netflix will not be getting any additional money out of me, but I plan to turn over my DVDs much more quickly - so they have at least as much work (from me) as before.
@mbehmazia@... Theft is theft. Resorting to piracy because you don't like the price of movies is, IMHO, no different than resorting to shoplifting because you don't like the price of designer jeans.

There are options if we're not happy with the pricing, but for me becoming a thief is not one of them.
0 Votes
+ -
@mbehmazia@...

I am not gonna say I support pirating at all because further more I Don't. I admit I have used the Pirate bay on many things, but I soon delete the stuff and use it simply for a full working Demo more or less. More times I delete the whatever inside 45 minutes and never keep or burn the stuff. 80% of my purchases BTW, are of direct association of the illegal activities I Have participated in in the past. If I hadn't Downloaded it on the Piratebay or other torrent trackers I would never have bought it to at all. Developers and other Art Forms needs to realize the technology they have here. Release Free full versions, or Music on this stuff, and then have them tied to a location to verify ownership, Deleting the content ofter so many hours of listening for music, and so many minutes for software. By then we know it is worthy. BTW this isn't' the same as Streaming radio like Pandora, Pandora isn't' so portable. After all most of us have high speed internet and devices that can use the internet anymore, like iTouch, iPhones, Zune. Basically use the Stuff for what it is worth and stop ripping us off


Now on the supportive side of the reply here, I can totally see the reason that pirating has become a problem at all. I will not follow up on the flaming on this comment at all so you guys know, but Pirating is the direct result of the people who sell the merchandise. If Game Developers didn't charge us $50 a game on release, we wouldn't be temped to even download the stuff for even the reasons I do in my activities int eh past. Yes most people download the material without the intent of ever buying, which is the problem at hand here, but Really think about it. . I will use Call of Duty here. with new releases in the $60 range, and millions sold, do you really think that the people who developed that software deserve 60 million in pay checks, or even 10% of that? yes COD has a Free online server to use, or did, now the rip off is even more, as the current games sport game servers on everyday user PC's. The value of that $60 is even less. No Software dev needs 60 Million in there pockets to pay developers and employee's

Movies, this is completely obvious, the movies we buy and watch to day have been remade for 30 years, at least, what is so special about them that they need to be as high as 35 for director/special releases. get real million's to billions buy the movies around the world, more freely then Games. And movie companies have millions of movies to sell and profit on.

This is the Argument with pirating, and Frankly I understand why people do it. With these two examples the amount of money lost realistically is probably 40% and even that 40% loss is still providing big profits. No Developer makes more then 10k a year on a single Software, and why should they when they will just release a new version next year. If you want more produce something new, and at least good, and get away from typical, and your supporters will be more likely to support your rip-offs. At least operating systems are the same for 3-6 years without major changes, and if you really look into it, OS is cheaper then the software you upgrade regularly, and it is even worse for gamers. I'm not gonna touch Music, because well this post did it between the lines
@mbehmazia@... I agree that this will probably lead to an increase in pirating but do not agree that most (let alone all) people currently pirate media. If that were the case services like Netflix wouldn't even have a chance.
@Ez_Customs Who are you to determine what a developer should or shouldn't make on their work? If you don't like the cost then don't buy it but don't try to use the price as your justification of stealing. You have no right to somebody else's work unless they are willingly giving it away for free or you have paid their asking price. The fact that you delete what you have pirated within 45 minutes doesn't change anything. If you then turn around and purchase the item that's great but it doesn't justify your belief that they should offer up full works for free or that you should determine what the value of their work is. If the price is too high then people won't buy and the price will come down. Apparently that isn't the case with COD.
@Mike (not Cox)
As long as the economy of online streaming is scaled the same as it is for ebooks I'll be ok with it. (i.e. a Hard back book runs you about $20 to $50...the same book in ebook form is $3.99 to $9.99). The same should be true of any other form of media.
@VRSpock

I don't know where you're getting your ebooks, but Kindle prices mostly START at $9.99 and go up from there, especially on new books. Occasionally you see something on sale for $7 or $8, but it doesn't last long. Often, the difference between the paper copy of the book and the Kindle version is about $3. Given the cost of printing and shipping, that makes no sense at all, but whatever the market will bear, as they say...
@VRSpock
Correction: They *should* be $3.99 or less, but that never happens.
@Mike (not Cox)
Right on. The telecoms were using the competition from Netflix to bring in UBB before the CRTC as we speak. People cancel their Netfix, means even move cash into the pockets of the telecoms and their already obscene profits
OMG, i received my notice from Netflix price increase notice, it went up even more for one Blu Rey at a time. I canceled it right away. What a rip, I can go to the Redbox.
I guess it is the snag em and screw em method.
0 Votes
+ -
@Mike (not Cox) Canada as the UK and other countries suck for ISP's because they overcharge, throttle your bandwidth, and the have the 3 strike rule for torrents. I fear that the USA will take up that model one day but it is not here yet and as long as our leaders are bickering like school children it will be a while.
@Mike (not Cox) The studios see a gold mine so they want to squeeze out all the juice. Netflix's rate plan could have been much higher. It's still a great deal to be able to choose a movie and watch it when you want to without needing to buy the DVD. Besides, they offer movies I would never of thought of watching and to my surprise they turn out to be goods movies. No one like to pay extra for anything. But not having having it or instituting commercials would be unacceptable as an alternative.
F U Adrian Kingsley-Hughes
0 Votes
+ -
Then enlighten us with your "wisdom"
Pete "athynz" Athens 13th Jul
@sackbut as to the reason why this cost is being passed directly on to the customers or just troll here and hurl insults around - which is after all what you do best. In other words F U sackbut.
0 Votes
+ -
@sackbut
The reason is obvious. It is not greed. It is economics. The overhead of postage AND all the processing hubs that send/receive DVDs by mail are a huge cost factor for Netflix.

They should use the money generated from this move to buy more streaming content....and that's exactly what they will be doing. It's not like the cable company upping your bill by $100 per month and then looking at you all funny when you ask them what you are getting in return for that increase. Sometime I wonder if all the people complaining are hired by the Cable companies to complain.

I called Netflix customer support as soon as I got the email about the price changes. My concern was being able to stream on 2 different devices at once because we stream on the tv in the living room and sometimes simultaneously on a desktop computer elsewhere in the house. I had heard that if I switched to the streaming only plan I could only stream on 1 device at a time....but the support agent I spoke with said while that is what is stated, in truth, you can stream on two devices at once. I'd gladly pay a few more dollars to stream on two devices if I have to. I feel that switching from $9.99 per month for streaming + 1 DVD to $7.99 per month for streaming only is steal for me with all the content that my family watches (3 to 6 hours per day, 7 days per week at times).

As for their DVD's....well.....we just mailed back The Box to them after switching to streaming only. We only had the disc for just over a year and the envelope sleeve is turning all yellow. DVD's are obsolete.
0 Votes
+ -
RE: Netflix price hike creates social media firestorm
Extreme Kahuna Updated - 13th Jul
@VRSpock

B.S.
The company is making LOTS of money. Raisng rates without any added benefits? Bad business move. Dropping service and selling my stock.

They are making lots of money after spending lots of money!
They're raising prices in anticipation of raising content prices?
Bad business move.
Bottom line is it not worth the added $ period.
@Extreme Kahuna
They are making lots of money. They are also spending lots of money.

The online streaming content business is quickly becoming a cut-throat business just like good old time television used to be a few years back before all the cable networks began suffering identity crisis and showing content that had nothing to do with what the network is all about.

Netflix needs to be the biggest check writer out there for content if they want to continue to grow....and not just out-writing the other streaming providers either.
@Extreme Kahuna It is not BS. Netflix raised the prices so they can continue to pay the licensing fees that keep going up for streaming rights. Hopefully they will also be able to increase the selection. (And no, I am not and have never been a netflix customer or user nor do I work for the cable company, the studios, or netflix -- I am self employed as a software engineer)
0 Votes
+ -
@VRSpock

DVDs are obsolete. In a way, even blu-rays are - I prefer electronic only. However I am very proud of my blu-ray collection and I will not stop buying them. Some people fear they will go the way of HD DVD and Betamax and VHS but I say nay.
0 Votes
+ -
@Extreme Kahuna

The reason their stocks is on the rise for the past year(s) is because they make good management decisions and part of that decision is to make sure they can sustain growth and and raising prices is a necessity because the content owners wants their cut. Surely you don't expect them to run a losing business and should understand that as a stock holder of Netflix. Sure, sell your stock, it just went up another $7.46 today.
@VRSpock Holy cow, get outside every now and then.
@VRSpock my cable company charges me less if i buy multiple services. Netflex ain't even TRYING to do that
@chrischeek
LOL...that's the average viewing time for my whole family. I'm doing good if I watch a 1 hour show in day personally....thus the need for the ability to stream on two devices at once. Most of the time it is me on the desktop computer playing catch up on a series that my wife and kid blew threw the entire series in a week or two. So a lot of content gets viewed twice on my Netflix account.

They are not greedy....they are raising their rates to pay for the cost of my family streaming so much content from them....lol That's when my kid isn't watching something on Nick.com or Disney.com. We don't have any other form of television. The Internet is it.
@dr3d
And that is something that they should really look into. I'd pay an extra $5 to $15 per month to upgrade to a second tier of Netflix service and have near real-time content of currently airing tv shows (it could even be delayed up to a week for all I care) and pay-per view level of access to movies. I believe this is the direction Netflix is going in even though they won't admit that because when they do, it will confirm to the cable industry what the cable industry already knows but denies publicly.
@VRSpock Maybe in your house they are, but in mine DVD's
have better picture quality than streaming.
@VRSpock I agree with VRSpock. Even with the price increase Netflix still offers tremendous value. It's not unreasonable for Netflix to raise their prices in response to increased content costs--after all, the money has to come from somewhere, and the still need to make a profit otherwise they wouldn't continue operating. What is it with people having a hard time with a company making a reasonable profit?

Personally, me and my wife have the streaming-only plan and have found that, with a paradigm change, we can always find something interesting and good to watch. Maybe it's not the "new" releases, but it's a lot of quality stuff.

That said, I recognize that the streaming costs will be going up. The $8/month thing can't last as it is a phenomenal value. Plus, people would be retarded to expect that price to remain in place as Netflix offers more and newer titles for streaming.

Here's an idea for all you whiners: rent your DVD's from RedBox and stream whatever you want from Netflix. If you feel this is the most cost effective approach, do it this way. But don't whine at Netflix because they raised their monthly price a few dollars. Bottom line: Netflix doesn't make much on the DVD-renting side of their business and they're trying to either make that side of the business profitable, or dump it.

The future (regardless of all you who like the 8-track, ahem, DVD format) is in streaming, Netflix knows this. And this is just the point they start the slow certain move out of renting DVDs and maintaining the immense DVD distribution apparatus necessary for doing so.

This is good business. I support Netflix in doing so.
@VRSpock no idea why you say that about cable..I pay $19 per mo. for full cable! no cheating.
When I got their notice of the price change, I went to my account and clicked cancel. Of course they replied that any cancellation would go into effect immediately although there are still 18 days that I have paid for. At the end of the month, though, I'm out of there.
@melkdav
Vindictive aren't they?
@melkdav They can't cancel your service immediately if they accepted payment for the entire month.
@chrischeek@... They can do any g-damned thing they want to, and you're just going to have to like it. Besides, they notify the customer ahead of time that canceling early is going to cost the balance on the account. Try reading the fine print the next time you sign up for another dose of mindless entertainment.
I'm cancelling my Netflix service. The steaming movie selection is not that good, new movie releases on DVD are slow to come, so I may view one movie a month. For $18.00 I can purchase a new release that interests me every month at Costco or Sam's Club. Bye Netflix.
I cancelled when I read that they were doubling my subscription for services and I was not getting anything more. That is what has everyone angered. Double my cost and give me ZERO in return. Sorry, Red Box is on my way to work, I will use them for $1.00 and save myself about 8 bucks a month. Bad move Netflix, I am sure your stock is going to hit the skids faster than Blockbuster's.
@CowboyJake You are getting something in return. Continued ability to stream and hopefully a larger selection of content to stream, over time. The costs for streaming keep going up. They are just being passed on. The additional money is going to pay the studios for streaming rights, not into anyone at Netflix's pockets.
@chadpengar

"Continued ability to..." does not equate to getting something in return for an increase. It equates to paying more for the same thing. i.e., you're getting nothing for the added money. And that larger selection? If you really believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying. wink
@bhartman36

I must disagree with you on that. I'm a huge Star Trek fan and I have an 11 year old that is just getting into it. Now he has access to everything Star Trek ever dreamed of on the Wii in our living room.

It's a good thing I love my Netflix...because it is the only streaming provider who supports our Wii....so even if I hated them....I wouldn't switch because there isn't anyone to switch to.....I'm sure their stock holders are well aware of this little fact too.

I'd love to get additional movies streamed through Redbox or Amazon or Voodoo or whoever on a pay per movie deal. Redbox DVD's got a bit costly the last time I rented one when I kept forgetting to take it back. More than a month's worth of Netflix is what is cost me. Yeah that's my fault....but with online streaming I don't have to worry about that or the skipping of scratched up DVD's that are becoming more and more common place with Redbox. Very rarely do we ever experience buffering even when streaming on multiple devices in the house...but when we do, I'd prefer that over my DVD player flipping out and skipping 20 minutes of footage because of all the abuse the physical discs get.
@chadpengar - "hopefully a larger selection of content..." So paying more on the supposition of what you MIGHT get in the future is acceptable to you? That sounds more like gambling than it does paying for a specified service.

Tell you what... send me a check for about $2500.00 and I'll send you something in return. Hopefully, over time it won't smell too bad.
@CowboyJake
Red Box has **** movies aimed at the lowest common denominator. I love the variety of Netflix
Your entitled to your opinion...
I've canceled my membership!
Good lord, it's just $6 more a month on what seems to be a cheap plan already. I pay so much more for cable that I can't opt out of because it's tied into my condo fees.

Just cut back in the Starbucks a bit and you're good to go.
0 Votes
+ -
@SimW not sure how this Depression thing is affecting you, but my family is down to one income now. Luxuries like Starbucks were crossed off the budget over a year ago. I might keep Netflix streaming - but the DVD subscription is just too expensive. (Actually not sure that their catalog of streaming movies will be able to keep my interest much longer.)
@SimW :

JUST six dollars more? Look at the percentage increase. And look at what they provide.
@SimW

"Cut back on Starbucks"???! Seriously?! Our income was cut severely last year and then my husband lost his job, we lost our house, we're about to lose our car, we have a daughter starting college next month who's too American to get much financial aid. We can't afford Netflix at all and are NOT current customers, but watching all of this - it's just like many other American companies. We have greeded ourselves into being a country of consumers rather than producers. Is it any wonder we find ourselves at the mercy of any company who will feed our ever growing consuming appetites? It won't be too long before we find ourselves at the mercy of any country that will feed our consuming appetites. So many forgeign governments just sit back and laugh because they don't have to wage war on us, we're destroying ourselves from within through our greed, lust and all consuming addiction to entertainment!!
@TXMorgans@... Well said! Couldn't agree more.
@SimW poor, poor guy/gal has to be rich enough to own a condo that he/she has to pay condo fees on ... I feel so badly for her/him.
@SimW First world problem.

I already dropped the DVD service because i've received like 6 discs in the time i've had netflix, and watched 2. Streaming only, and any shows i can't get there or via hulu/network sites... well.

Think about this... do you REALLY need a smartphone? We don't have a single cellphone, and our only phone line is voip. We text through google voice. We're saving $60-$85 a month by doing without trendy devices.
0 Votes
+ -
No loyalty
mlscha 13th Jul
I've been a member of Netflix since October of 2000. We got a DVD player as a wedding gift and were one of the first ever to sign up for Netflix. Since we were early adopters, we got a special loyalty deal-- we paid the same price as everyone else but got 4 out at a time instead of 3. After a decade of loyalty, Netflix decided to hike our rates (70% since December) AND eliminate the loyalty deal.

Well, Netflix, the marriage is still going strong but our relationship is over.
0 Votes
+ -
On a positive note, I like that I can now get a 3 DVD plan without streaming. I never used the streaming much since the movie selection was poor with it and I don't care to watch movies on a computer when I have a large TV with surround sound. So my bill is going down from the current $19.99 to $15.99.

Join the conversation!

Formatting +
BB Codes - Note: HTML is not supported in forums
  • [b] Bold [/b]
  • [i] Italic [/i]
  • [u] Underline [/u]
  • [s] Strikethrough [/s]
  • [q] "Quote" [/q]
  • [ol][*] 1. Ordered List [/ol]
  • [ul][*] · Unordered List [/ul]
  • [pre] Preformat [/pre]
  • [quote] "Blockquote" [/quote]
ie8 fix
Click Here
ie8 fix

The best of ZDNet, delivered

ZDNet Newsletters

Get the best of ZDNet delivered straight to your inbox

Facebook Activity

White Papers, Webcasts, & Resources
ie8 fix
ie8 fix