Five core criticisms of Windows 8

By | September 28, 2011, 11:12am PDT

Summary: Windows Developer Preview: It’s good, but not perfect, and some PC users and novice users may end up feeling alienated.

Naturally, as a technology columnist, a brand new operating system to play with causes involuntary symptoms not limited to: excitement, anticipation, a sudden urge to write, combined with sweaty palms and jittery extremities.

But with every high, one must come back down again. And the ‘down’ hit me hard.

In short, what we have is a benchmark for what we will see in the final version of the next-generation Windows operating system.

“But they could take bits out!”. No, I’m afraid Microsoft can’t. If they did, they would be breaking a promise they haven’t already given. Logically speaking, Windows 8 cannot contain any less than what it has in the public developer preview.

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To see the screenshot gallery documenting how to install and get started with the Windows Developer Preview, along with some of the best features so far, head this way.

Jump ahead to find the new Blue Screen of Death, also roaming cloud profiles and the new ‘Start menu’. You can search, see new notifications and see your new Control Panel. See what happens when you switch from Start to desktop, and see where Microsoft is pinching ideas from Apple.

Though I am fully aware the publicly available Windows Developer Preview is exactly that — a preview merely for developers to test the basic elements of the platform and user interface — there is already a great deal set in stone where by a vast number of users will hold back from upgrading.

1. Death of the Start menu

The Start menu is gone. I can’t put it any simpler than that; it simply is not there any more.

For over fifteen years, the little pop-up menu in the bottom-left of the screen has been transformed into a screen filled with tiles, replacing the home of services and applications in favour of Microsoft’s new Metro user interface.

As discussed only last week, users do not like change. Windows Developer Preview already takes time to get used to, even in light of a simpler, step-by-step installation to get users off the ground. But those users may be shocked to discover a new home for their applications, even if they are a swipe to the left instead of clicking on a solid point where the Start menu used to be

Office 2010 performs a similar function to the Start screen in the Windows Developer Preview. Just as you see the Start screen to take up your entire desktop estate, the ‘Backstage’ menu in all Office 2010 applications takes over what you were working on in favour of primary focus menu options.

Getting back to your work is only a click away, just as is the case in the Windows Developer Preview. But it does not feel natural, nor will it be obvious to Windows 8 newbies.

Whether or not this was an indication of what was next, it remains to be seen.

We were slightly misled when Windows 8 was first demonstrated in June at the D9 conference in Taipei, in that we expected an ordinary desktop, but a new layout for tablets. It would be two-in-one — a tablet operating system fit for the desktop, and vice-versa.

2. Netbooks still struggle under ‘new’ hardware requirements

Installed on a fully-fledged desktop PC with 8GB RAM, along with a touch-screen laptop with 2GB RAM, the one device that stutters under the weight of the new operating system is the 1GB RAM netbook.

Netbooks are limited in what they can do, sure. But there has not been an operating system, bar that of Ubuntu, developed specifically for the netbook. It is a new device in the soon-to-be post-PC world, and Windows development has missed a beat between Windows 7 two years ago, and Windows 8 in a year’s time.

There is no doubt that the Windows Developer Preview runs better on a netbook than a non-Starter edition of Windows 7. But Windows 8 still boasts the clunk and the heavy weight that Windows 7 does, with some bits stripped out and a new interface plonked on top.

Windows 8 will arrive at a time when netbooks are dead. Netbook development has been slow, along with smartphone innovation in the past few months. But netbooks for now are still widely used and need to be fully accommodated as part of Microsoft’s ethos in creating a next-generation operating system for every device — not just PCs, laptops and tablets.

Next page: Three more major criticisms to go »

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Zack Whittaker, a criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, Canterbury, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

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I worked briefly with Microsoft UK in 2006 but no longer have any connection with the company. Regardless, I remain impartial and unbiased in my views.

I don't hold any stock or shares, investments or industrial secrets in any company, but have signed confidentiality agreements with a number of UK and U.S. organisations, whose names I am not at liberty to disclose.

I was involved with Kent Union, the University of Kent's student union, undertaking voluntary, non-salaried, elected positions between early 2009 and mid-2010.

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(Updated: 23rd October 2011)

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Zack Whittaker, criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, UK, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

After studying criminology at university, though still in his early-20's, he has already had a series unconventional work and voluntary positions. He has worked with researchers studying neurological illnesses like Tourette's syndrome (which he suffers from), has given lectures on the nature of disabilities in the public community, and occasionally ends up speaking on television and radio discussing the events of the day.

He first had academic work published at the age of 22, then still an undergraduate, and has been cited by a wide range of publications: from the Huffington Post, Business Insider, AllThingsDigital, The Atlantic Wire and CBS News.

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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
dstarke1 6th Oct
I predict that if no classic XP interface exists for Windows 8 one will be created. For better of worse, it's what we're used to. I have always "regressed" my win7 machines to the "classic" interface in order to _work_ on my machine rather than constantly relearning basic tasks. If Win8 gives me no such option, I'll stick with old OSs until I can't any longer.
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While the GUI will take a bit getting use to, all of our client's users have been trained to utilize the one key feature that trumps GUI/KB Shortcuts:
Start --> [Start typing what is needed]

This ability to start the Windows Search feature by clicking start and typing what one is looking for was not readily apparent in Win8. However, once users are shown that it is there, invisible if you will, waiting for them to type the whole GUI thing becomes moot.

Philip Elder SBS MVP
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@MPECSInc Exactly. If you ever click the All Programs button on Windows Vista/7, then you're living in the past and there's no way to make you happy anyways. Search is so much more efficient it's silly.
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
WishyWashyWannabe 28th Sep
@Aerowind
Totally agreed! Super effecient - if you ever set up a race between two users - search or dive down, it'd be the equivalent of a ferrari racing a sloth. :/ takes some getting used to though.
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That depends on what's installed
brendan@... 28th Sep
@Aerowind
The search feature is indeed a fantastic method for bringing up program options ... provided that you can recall or intuit the program's name. A few months ago, after setting up filezilla as a FTP program, I needed to bring it up, but since I had set it up several weeks earlier the name had slipped my mind so I tried serching for FTP. Which didn't bring it up because it wasn't part of the name.
Hmm, while search mostly works well, it could probably work better if MS set up a method of adding reference tags to programs for searching.
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Bingo!
ScorpioBlue 28th Sep
The search feature is indeed a fantastic method for bringing up program options ... provided that you can recall or intuit the program's name.

There are programs and files that I use maybe two or three times a year that I still have to do a visual search for. This new feature is useless for that. Utterly USELESS.

MS is now confused over what a tablet and a desktop should be. That need to do a serious re-think about this.
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
Michael Alan Goff 28th Sep
@ScorpioBlue

And you can't even remember what folder you have them in? Or am I the only person who actually organizes their computer so that I know where things are?
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
gvarhelyi@... 28th Sep
@Aerowind I would be happy if microsoft wouldn't monopolize all pcs and freely allow dual booting. Rumour says this may not be so. Windows are not the only operating system on the planet but they are the most monopolized, the most expensive, most virus, maleware, and trojan orientated OS on the planet.
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@Aerowind - Search requires me to take my hand off the mouse and type on the keyboard. That is not always more efficient than the All Programs button. I can click and scroll quite a bit for the time it takes shift to the keyboard.
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@gvarhelyi@...
maleware seriously. wink
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@Aerowind
I disagree. i use the classic version on windows vista and xp and on my windows 7 machines I use a killer to to stop the wndows 7 llok since a true classic option was removed and then use an xp theme over it. It makes finding and navigating so much quicker and easy. The drop down menues make it a more productive way of use. Ribbons and the new look of windows 7 programs takes for ever to poke around and find things. In classic you quickly hit all All Programs opens the folders you glide across folder opens you pick the option you want nice and easy all mouse work no annoying keyboard short cuts or commands. Windows 8 is even worse as 2 things windows has to keep are full normal start button options and the classic desktop. Without those microsoft killed its own os.I have had the developers version about 2 weeks now and its just horrible.They need to let you install a desktop version no metro crap and have previous ui skins in the install ie you can pick xp, vista, or 7 or even metro so they can give the loyal long time users options they want and will make them migrate to this new version. If its force metro UI which is why the wp7 sold so slowly then why upgrade ? Stay with xp or windows 7 until cannot be used anymore then over to ubuntu or linux with a classic windows theme so its usable.It will be preference and familiarity that makes or breaks microsoft os and this is breaking it as is.
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And you can't even remember what folder you have them in? Or am I the only person who actually organizes their computer so that I know where things are?

The file folders are right there on the Start Menu. If there not there then where are they? On the big, stupid Metro GUI that's going to replace it?
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@Aerowind
Once upon a time, in a land far far away....there was a major argument between the porponents of the command line and the GUI. The command line was far more efficient ... for those who could remember the commands. The GUI however had the magic of discoverability..... if you didn't know what you were looking for you could discover it by drilling downs through the menu's.

The solution was choice......that appears to be what Windows 8 wants to take away.

Personally I find everytrhing far quicker and far more efficiently using menu's than search. Spend hours searching the net for stuff I know is there. Spend hours searching Help for stuff that might not be there.

The internet is a machine for turning information in to data ....looks like windows is going that way too.

The past is a far better and more productive place to live than in a universe where a ribbon is easier to use than menu's and tools bars (where 80% of a users requiements are less than three clicks away). Or where people think that dragging a window to the top left hand corner is easier than double clicking the window top bar or simply clicking the maximise icon.

Tablets, touch screens and the cloud ... the emporer is naked you know.

80% of the things you do with a computer are easier and more efficient to do with traditional input forms yet it becomes harder and harder to by a phone without a touch screen.

Peole are rapidly wearing out their thumb joints.
@Aerowind There is something to be said for repetition of a task. There has been a start button since 3.11 for workgroups. I grew up learning to use old DOS machines then I graduated to windows 3.11 in 92. Almost twenty years I've used a start button and the standard desktop GUI. Twenty years I've developed the habits of mind and muscle memory to complete tasks with just a few clicks of the mouse with ease. To have to try to learn something new like this would be more inefficient in the long run because of the learning curve. I will not be upgrading to Windows 8. I'll stick to XP until they finally kill all support for it then I'll switch to Linux where I at least have control over the functionality and look of my GUI. At least Linux will use formats I'm familiar with in GNOME.
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
michaellashinsky@... 30th Sep
@Aerowind

So I am supposed to use search for all the things I used to use the start menu for, but when I want to search for files in windows 7, I have to use Agent Ransack, because the search in Windows 7 is so bad! Yeah, it's crystal clear! Why didn't I see that myself? I am so totally a noob living in the past. Thanks a lot!
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@Aerowind That totally depends on what the user installs and if they have file indexing turned on. In my case, I use the all programs menu for the following, despite ther being alternatives:

- mainly a quick glance of what I have installed
- for access to shortcuts created by programs during installation; not all shortcuts in the "All Programs Menu" show up in the search.
- a quick way of creating start up programs/files; simply drag and drop it (like a text file being used for instructions), or a shortcut of it (like a startup programd) into the "Startup" folder
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@Michael Alan Goff
No, you aint the only one that organizes their files, I do too, but most of my non-tech Savvy friends don't even know how/care to organize them ;P
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I do not use Search this way
dfinn@... 28th Sep
@MPECSInc
I find since i am such a bad typest and do not always know that exact name of the program i am looking for the GUI point and find is my only way to get to where i am going and i just hate all those BIG icons i have a large monitor so i can see more not less.
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@MPECSInc wasn't the flexibilty and ability to use OUR computers the way we wanted to what we like about pcs. Ms have to be careful that in attempting to combating Apple that they do not hasten their demise by alienating there userbase? Mind you we are due a gash version after the success of Windows 7!
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The new start menu SUCKS!!!
There is nothing wrong and it is better secuirty for there not to be the one os for all platforms
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
justthisguyyouknow 29th Sep
@MPECSInc I'm really not sure how clicking on some invisible area, then going over the keyboard to type the name of a program is any more 'efficient' then simply clicking an icon pinned to the taskbar in Win 7, or clicking once on Start and then again on an oft-used program.

One or two clicks compared to a mystery meat navigation click followed by moving over the keyboard? No contest. Single click wins every time. Users will hate the change, unless they are coming over from a Mac, which is where MS stole this silly idea from.
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@MPECSInc Righty Oh! Now we're going back to character based operating systems!? Isn't this a step backwards?
I have taught my 80 year old father to use Windows 7. Mouse clicks are better for him. His keyboard skills are almost non-existent, and he does not remember what a command is.
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
michaellashinsky@... 30th Sep
@I am Gorby

First let me say, I am not defending Micro$oft on this mess. I still haven't forgiven them for the Vista debacle.

Now, about your 80 yo father, bless his heart! He would be better off with the Metro interface, or, dare I say it, an iPAD. All finger poking fun! Seriously, I didn't get the whole iPad thing until I realized a technophobic senior citizen could learn to use one in minutes, then I understood. It isn't what I want from a pc, but I see the niche, (and it's huge!)
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
Cylon Centurion Updated - 28th Sep
I would wait for the beta to make these criticisms. This was a developers Preview, and as such It was set up in a way that is geared towards developers getting a feel for the new UI, it wasn't meant for a wide audience. It has missing pieces, reduced functionality, and is otherwise wholly incomplete.
I'm pretty sure the only reason Microsoft put it up, was that it would leak sooner or later, so, to protect customers from potential P2P based attacks, they just made it widely available.

While I agree with many of these, I cannot pass judgement until I work with a build that is geared toward a broader "general public" audience. I can almost guarantee that the beta UX will be very different from the UX we have with the Dev Preview.
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@Cylon Centurion

Exactly.. I am waiting for the beta before I pass any real judgement. It is not like this Developer's Preview was not clear what its intent was. A preview for developers so they can work on MetroUI Apps. I will say that this feedback of Windows 8 Preview was more constructive than another blogger or two (that shall remain nameless) that ridiculed and insulted what they do not understand. They basically made it out like this is the final build of Windows 8 and that is what it is going to be when it is not even in beta yet.
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
Rob.sharp@... 28th Sep
@Cylon Centurion

You can't be critical of a Dev Preview...this thing has a long way to go before its ready for primetime. You don't make judgements like this until you see a RC.
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@Cylon Centurion, et. al. Expresses my sentiments exactly. I am a bit shocked that someone would write an article like this, actually. (Well, except to generate ad views.)
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@taborro What's the point of a preview unless it is indicative of the end result, you can bet there will be changes but much which does not change. Also with the freely available Windows 7 beta etc they did seem to listen to user comment which will I hope not change their behavior with this released. If they are listening articles like this and the response may be important and useful to ms....
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Isn't it obvious?
Lester Young 29th Sep
@n.gurr@... Do you not know the difference between a developer's preview and a beta?
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
none none Updated - 28th Sep
@Cylon Centurion

to protect customers from potential P2P based attacks, they just made it widely available.

LOL will they do the same with Office? To protect their customers, I mean.




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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
michaellashinsky@... 30th Sep
@Cylon Centurion

I'll sit and wait for it, then. I am good at waiting. I am still waiting for Longhorn... ;P
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As a build attendee, and some one responsible for my companies architectural direction, I like to read this critisim, I think for the most part yours will fade away. Love your quote "and the mouse is practically useless beyond pointing and clicking"
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@nanderto

That one made me laugh as well. Oddly, the keyboard is practically useless beyond typing as well.
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I don't get that line that netbooks "are still widely used". I don't know where you get that data from. For the most part, users that had netbooks have either already switched due to inadequate performance, or the little farters died and they were replaced with more reliable, more capable machines.

By this point next year, shoppers will only have a vague recollection of them. Acer knows this - they were the #1 netbook maker in the world, but look at their shift in market position over the last year.
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Dead netbooks
Bart B. Van Bockstaele 28th Sep
@Joe_Raby You can't be serious. I am still using my Eee PC Touch and I am very happy with the thing. It runs Windows XP, not that ridiculous iPad stuff, and I can actually do some useful work on it, all while being able to swivel the screen around and use it as a tablet when I am teaching. As a result, I can't even remember when was the last time that I carried a book with me to class.
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Windows XP?
Joe_Raby 28th Sep
@Bart B. Van Bockstaele

Consider yourself lucky. I service like 5 of these things a week. I don't see many XP machines still working and the single-core Atom Win 7 Starter machines are just as bad.

....about as poorly built as an HP Pavilion DV(insert any number here).

I honestly don't know anyone that has one that says they're actually happy with the performance either. Atom's can't do HD video, and Flash is barely usable even without video. Without a web browser that has real hardware acceleration, your XP-era web browser has a limited shelf life too.
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@Joe_Raby The slow fade in the Netbook market was mostly just the result of some collusion between Microsoft and Intel. A friend, on my recommendation got a little 8.9" Asus Eee a year or so ago and has loved it, especially at her family pizza shop, where she uses it constantly to stream music, check her email, and Skype friends and family back home. She want to get another one, but no go. I got a surplus eMachines netbook a little while back, boosted the memory to 2 Gb, and then ended up converting the Win7 Starter that came with it to a seldom used VM running on a Linux host. If you choose carefully lightweight programs like Softmaker Office (or even Office XP) and such to run, you can end up with a pretty handy and responsive little device, especially if you have a extended battery option (someone else whom I had set up with more recent Atom-powered Asus ended up getting around 8+ hrs of battery life, which she got use to having big time.) When her office tried to get more of them, everyone was sold out and it turned out to be major pain to find another one at even a higher price.
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That's an interesting theory....
Lester Young 29th Sep
@JustCallMeBC ....putting it kindly. It wouldn't have had anything to do with poor performance, quality, and ergos, would it?
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The one thing MS needs to make sure exists in Win8 is an official Metro kill switch. This fisher price UI serves no purpose on non-touch centric devices and needs an easy/official way to turn this UI off.
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
none none Updated - 28th Sep
@MLHACK

This fisher price UI

LOL that's what they called the XP interface!

The more things change...

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r3054233-Those-who-call-XP-s-interface-Fisher-Price

This 11.5 year old thread could have been written today!




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@none none

i remember this. One thing to keep in mind is that if you did not like the XP interface then you could revert it back to the classic ui. MS has taken this stupid approach with Win8. So my Metro UI statement is still relevant
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We'll have to wait & see, though.
spdragoo@... 29th Sep
@MLHACK

Until we get the official distro versions, or even an official *beta* for consumer use, we'll have to wait & see whether you're forced to use Metro or if you can "kill-switch" it, huh?
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@none none

I agree with what they said about the XP interface, but you had a choice and I stuck with the classic interface until Windows 7.
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metro kill switch
optyk 28th Sep
@MLHACK - there is a metro kill switch, you, like Zack, just need to read the articles fully to find out what is going on.
Currently I am using a registry hack to turn off metro in the developer build (the developer build is to assist developers get the heads around metro and to start building metro apps - nothing more) and as Microsoft has already stated that if you have a desktop / laptop and don't like metro you will be able to turn it off and it wont even load at boot.
Personally I like the metro UI and I am looking forward to getting it on a tablet (where the UI makes sence to me), I am also interested in the Grid10 as both of these UI's offer a new way of interfacing with the device - something that I have been looking for over the last few years.
I am OS agnostic and I am willing to devote the time and effort to learn a new UI especially if it brings a new way of doing things in a simple and straight forward way, which metro (and Grid10) does.
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
paul_williams@... 29th Sep
@optyk

Yes there is a way to disable metro & a registery tweet to enable the start bar, the Metro style is only usefull for touch screens & prefer the start bar & desktop for a PC/non touch screen laptop, Microsoft are trying to force a touchscreen metro style on a non touchscreen.

The metro Tiles are WAY to big anyway use up to much screen space make then 20% smaller they maybe I will like them.
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
piiman Updated - 29th Sep
@optyk says "if it brings a new way of doing things in a simple and straight forward way, which metro (and Grid10) does" LOL IMO it does nothing straight foreard or simple. Heck there are 1,000,000 websites that have had to tell people how to even turn off the computer because the "off" switch was so hidden. How do you close a program? I have yet to figure that out and in many cases I can't find away out without the task manager. Its crazy and extremely non intuitive. You think users freaked over the Facebook changes? just wait for this thing to come out!
I've bought and used EVERY windows OS since the beginning and as of right now this is the first one not on my buy list.
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@optyk I was under the impression that Microsoft had basically told developers "Metro is the future get used to it and start writing for it." If that is the case then why would they put a GUI fork in the OS?
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@optyk .. i can confirm that the UI tweaker AKH provided a link to basically turns W8 into W7: that is, you get the Start Menu back and the Aero UI - without Metro. (Metro UI Tweaker, however, requires you to restart the system after applying tweaks).

Now, while i'm still a little confused as to why the W8 Team have Metro by default, in hindsight, it was a simple matter of clicking on the Explorer icon and getting the traditional desktop to appear in a split second. So, i guess i'm slowly beginning to like the idea that W8 offers simplicity in switching / toggling between the two user interfaces.

That asides, i can also confirm how amazingly, memory efficient W8 is: my positively ancient (by today's standards) AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (@2.4GHz), with 1GB of DDR RAM (@133MHz) has W8 operating at very fast and responsive speeds. If anyone needs confirmation the W8 Team have done a brilliant job in that regard, well you've got it now!

Now, with respect to this still being an early Alpha, W8 has all the look and feel of something that will simply get better with each dev' iteration. The W8 Team are to be highly commended with their early work, to date.

As to your last comment, i don't think there really is that much "to learn" in W8 that is worrisome. It took me all of about 5 minutes to get used to navigating through the Metro UI, Metro Ribbon - and toggling between Metro and Aero (i.e. the desktop), using shortcut keys and the mouse.

I would highly recommend people give this WDP a go and just play around with the new interface(s). Practice switching between UI's and app's .. and pretty soon you'll realize that W8 is really quite a refreshing change: without compromising the availability of the traditional desktop's look-and-feel. Now, you simply switch between the two (UI's, that is).

Enterprises should be sure they will eventually have an OS that caters for both the office, traditional enterprise environment - and the demands of modern, mobile-intensive, business computing. The best of both worlds, you could say.

Lastly, Zack's report shows that he obviously never took the real time to explore W8 enough. Now, if he has taken the time, then i'm afraid he's cleary biased against the new look and feel. Sure, he's entitled to that, but he's misleading alot of people with his omissions, inaccuracies and half-truths.

Kudos to the W8 Team.
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RE: Five core criticisms of Windows 8
MarkWB Updated - 28th Sep
So far I like it. It will take a little getting use to, but that is a good thing. My wireless card doens't work, but it is an old linksys.
I would be a little worried about the non-IT users when it first comes out. It may be a steep learning curve for mom and dad.
There isn't anyway to close down apps either. Windows just puts them in a sleep mode until you use it again. I hope they change that before the release.
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I agree that it is too early to make these criticisms. I also think that most concerns about the new UI will become irrelevant as people begin to use the OS. It took me less than 30 minutes to get used to the new UI and I didn't find anything that I used to do that I couldn't still do. Of course, I did get a Windows Phone when they came out just to see if it was usable for me, so I guess I had a little experience with the UI already.

I've seen the comments that people want to disable the Metro interface and I think that, largely, this just comes from a natural resistance to change - whether it's positive or not. I seem to remember people making a similar complaint when switching from DOS. Personally, I find the new Start screen to be the Start menu on steroids. I don't see any functional reason at all to disable it.

That said, it still may be a good business decision to do it. They do have a history of trying to be all things to all people - no matter how backward that may be. After all, if you prefer an abacus to a spreadsheet, who is Microsoft to prevent you from using one?
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I predict that if no classic XP interface exists for Windows 8 one will be created. For better of worse, it's what we're used to. I have always "regressed" my win7 machines to the "classic" interface in order to _work_ on my machine rather than constantly relearning basic tasks. If Win8 gives me no such option, I'll stick with old OSs until I can't any longer.

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