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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Firefox 5: New, but improved?

By | June 21, 2011, 3:39pm PDT

Summary: Yes, there’s already a new version of Firefox out. Hurray! But, is there anything really “new” in it? Not so much.

I’ve liked Firefox since it first showed up. But, this new Firefox 5 concerns me. Oh, it’s a fine browser. But, it’s not a major new release. At most, I’d call it Firefox 4.1, but really it’s little more than Firefox 4.02.

The Mozilla Foundation, following in the footsteps of Google’s Chrome Web browser, seems to believe that if they keep popping out new “major” releases every six weeks, they’ll convince people they’re better than the competition. That seemed like a dumb idea to me when Microsoft went from Word for Windows 2.0 to Word for Windows 6.0 back in 1993. The idea hasn’t improved any with age.

Download.com: Firefox 5

At least, in the case of Google Chrome, though, there usually have been significant updates. Chrome 12, didn’t deserve its new major release number either though. In upcoming versions of Chrome that may change. For example, We can look forward to Google building Skype-like video and Voice-over-Internet Protocol (VoIP) right into the browser. Firefox? Not so much.

As for Firefox 5 itself… well, let’s see… uh. The Do Not Track feature, which makes it easy to keep advertisers’ cookies under control, is easier to find in the Firefox Preferences section. Oh, and they finally got rid of the HTTP idle connection bug. That’s good. Let me leaf through the rest of the Firefox 5 release notes.

Ah, let’s see now, Firefox has also added extra security to its WebGL (Web-based Graphics Library), a Google-sponsored software library that brings hardware-accelerated 3D graphics to browsers, implementation. Mozilla developers did this by blocking cross-domain WebGL elements. In light of Microsoft’s recent attacks against WebGL on security grounds, I count that as an important improvement.

On the other hand, in the few days I’ve played with the beta and few hours I’ve been working with the final version, I have to say that what I find most annoying about Firefox–its lack of stability, especially on Linux, and continued hunger for memory-doesn’t seem to be improved much, if any.

Put it all together, though, is this enough to call this version of Firefox a major new release? No. It’s not even close. Microsoft’s IE programming crew got it right when, instead of a cake, they sent the Firefox developers a cupcake for this new release.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it.

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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Steve, I don't think you are being fair or realistic here.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate 21st Jun
This is the first iteration of Agile programming.
Mozilla are off to a good start and it was sufficient for them to make this a bug fix release with a smattering of enhancements. Even one small update to their Java jit compiler has now made Firefox officially faster than Chrome by about 30ms.

The point here is, they've succeeded in making a switch to Agile and are doing quite well. *That* is a major accomplishment.

There will be ensuing revisions with major changes and good luck to the competition who will have to keep up with them. At least Google have a fighting chance, but MS, doubtful.

So, please, cut Mozilla some slack here.

Congratulations to the Mozilla Developer Team are in order!

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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate
Add that first section compares ff5 to ff4 but when it comes to performace ff5 is compared to chrome and ie. Or you focus on ff5 as new iteration of ff or you focus on ff5 as competitor.

Atricle do 1/2 of iteration 1/2 of competition.
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@przemoli
Oh and Acid3 is probably tooo old to be reliable benchmark. There are simply some things in upper 5 points that are never used, have replacements. So top5 is for broad compatibility.
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@przemoli

You are absolutely right. Many of the things in Acid3 have been deprecated. A 95 *is* a perfect score. One could argue that getting *over* a 95 is a sign of imperfection...
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@przemoli Thank you. This made no sense: "First, Mozilla claims that has Improved standards support. That?s not what I found" and then Firefox is compared to Chrome rather than the previous version!
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate

If you read a bit about Agile development process, it means delivering fully shippable products every iteration. In a twisted way, you can even call minor tweaks a shippable product, but I doubt if any self respecting development org would do that. This is precisely what SJVN is questioning if this is all they have to show for this release. In my opinion, Mozilla's days are numbered. They can do Agile or Spiral or waterfall or whatever, they are going down fast.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
tazmanrising 22nd Jun
@mm71

Your Opinion is a grain of salt. While Chrome is enjoying dramatic success. Firefox is not going away, and neither is IE, IE with IE9 and upcoming IE10 , they will always stay in the game. What many of us do ( lots of people in fortune 500 companies whether a manager or a software engineer ) Is use IE for the intranet , for local testing / business work and then Firefox for certain things. Then Chrome HAS been for research and surfing.... For play!!! Thus Chrome gets a lot of surf time!!!! I started trying and using it for banking and it mostly works. 2 years ago it was laughable. So it has come a long way. However a co-worker was so mad a few months ago trying to use Chrome with his Wells Fargo online banking..... You have a very skewed view of things. The pie will shift but as I have the 3 browsers on my desktop / laptop I use them for different purposes.
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@tazmanrising

I suspect that is more a problem with Wells Fargo, than a problem with Chrome (and I don't even like Chrome). Wells Fargo has long had a bit of a bad reputation for (lack of) standards support.
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate
Most users have no idea what "Agile" is. So to the users (who are the ones making the decision to use Firefox) we could care less! This release looks and feels identical to 4.X. In fact, in normal browsing I don't see any speed difference at all. I don't care what benchmarks say, how it acts and feels in real world use is what counts.
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The speed difference in testing was measured as 30 milliseconds
Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate 22nd Jun
@ctleng76
Substantially, no difference, but, technically FF came out on top for the first time as the fastest browser.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
tazmanrising 22nd Jun
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate

Agreed. Exactly .... AGILE !!
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
ZazieLavender 22nd Jun
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate
I agree. SJVN, you fail to understand the underlying scores...and the SunSpider JS 0.9.1 scores show an alarming variance of up to 15-20% normally. I wouldn't endorse the results of that test even if you had only compared it to FF4.x

Honestly I believe that above all else you didn't really think SJVN.

I ran these benchmarks myself and I was stunned at how different my scores came out on FF5. :

I suppose you forgot to say "Your results may vary" and I know these benchmark sites don't forget it but I also think you're complaining over nothing. Sure it's annoying that they unpredictably bumped things up a major version number, breaking many addons that didn't address that possibility...and I'm sure most of those "disabled addons" still work, but the developer set them for no later than FF4.
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate
I loved FF for years from 2.x to 3.x even taking memory leaks while watching youtube videos which everyone assumed to be a problem with flash (was not since did not happen in Safari or Chrome!)

Then I (sadly) "upgraded" to 4 and that's when I stopped using FF. #1 Not all users will be happy when 90% of their extensions will no longer work in FF. #2 The same problems with stability remained present and there was no real benefit for me to go 4.x

Now I use almost exclusively chrome and when I have problems there, my backup is Safari... then if safari can't pull it off I would try Opera and only if Opera fails to I give FF a try.

I hope FF will become once again as good as it was when it came out. For now I put it on the shelf because it made me run out of patience as I have no time to be spent in fixing browsers problems... I have plenty problems to solve on of my own so when it comes to surfing the web my browser has to work, period.
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@freakqnc

Mozilla doesn't make the extensions -- 3rd-party devs do. If you're going to upgrade Firefox, but insist on all your add-ons carrying over, you're just going to have to give them a little time to catch up.

The web won't come to a screeching halt, if you only up-grade your browser a few weeks after the latest version comes out.
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Working OK here so far
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Stop the presses SJVN not praising an open source project!!!
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Surprised too
facebook@... 21st Jun
@jatbains I was surprised to read the title in the feed and find out it was SJVN. Scheduled major releases are one thing when there is enough new content to warrant the major revision. However, incrementing the major version based on an arbitrary timeline was truly not warranted here. It signals the slow death of the Mozilla foundation and firefox. Google will bleed off their support of Mozilla. This will only leave Chrome and IE standing as the major browser versions within a few years.
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@facebook@...

Eh, it's the new new thing. Everyone is doing it. HP Networking is doing it, either despite or because of their customers never upgrading the code on their switches. I haven't decided yet.
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@facebook@...

Eh, it's the new new thing. Everyone is doing it. HP Networking is doing it, either despite or because of their customers never upgrading the code on their switches. I haven't decided yet.
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I don't think you get it
Michael Alan Goff 21st Jun
Let's just remember a few points. The most important thing to remember is that synthetic benchmarks mean nothing. Nobody can come up with a good way of measuring real use. Another is that a refinement release isn't bad.

Almost 1000 bugs were fixed, and they improved the speed. They also improved the security, and improved the stability. This was more than just a .1 release, this was at least a .2 release.

They've been hard at work at Mozilla, and it shows. This was an excellent release.
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Version numbers don't matter
pkasting 21st Jun
Chrome developer here. The problem with this article is that it assumes that the version number of a program actually matters. With rapid development and seamless updating, it doesn't, at least not to end users. You don't buy an upgrade to the latest browser version. Done right, you shouldn't notice the change at all.

Debating whether Fx 5 or Chrome 12 "deserve" their version numbers is silly and pointless. At least in our case, the browser is "Chrome", not "Chrome 12" or "Chrome 739". Hopefully Mozilla streamlines their install/update pipeline so that they can say similar things.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
rgcustomer@... 21st Jun
@pkasting I disagree. Version numbers matter, or they wouldn't be part of the name. The vast majority of Firefox 5 users will have been Firefox 4 users, and are going to be seriously underwhelmed. I'm one.
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@rgcustomer@...

It's a legacy. I'm sure they'd like to drop the version names entirely, but people like you would probably be irrevocably confounded.
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@pkasting Ahh, but version numbers DO matter on Firefox, particularly when every major version number breaks half of the plugins you are using! What's the point of using FF if I can't customize it via plugins? And when a version change breaks that plugin, it is a problem!
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@pkasting

As long as 3rd-party plug-ins/add-ons/extensions/whatever are an important feature of Firefox, then version numbers will continue to serve an actual purpose, beyond marketing.
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Seriously, get over it. I got Firefox 5, and yeah, it probably is more like Firefox 4.1 in reality. But everyone plays fast and loose with the version numbers, and has for years. Back in the day, Apple renamed what had been planned as Mac OS 7.7 as "Mac OS 8" and Mac OS 7.8 as "Mac OS 9" for no other reason than marketing. If Firefox needs to run up their version numbers for appearance's sake compared to IE and Chrome, so what?
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@pyjujiop
"If Firefox needs to run up their version numbers for appearance's sake compared to IE and Chrome, so what?"

Playing 'me too' is a game for lemmings. First, they make the browser look like their perceived-primary competition's browser, then they emulate their version number game. Soon, there won't be anything to differentiate them from their perceived-primary competitor, and thus no reason to use their product.
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@RodsMine

Except of course, whether they're actually any good...
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
bannedagain 21st Jun
Working fine, I've been using it since the beta on a MacBook.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
LoverockDavidson 21st Jun
I'm glad Firefox is still around just to scare the Google guys in the browser wars. I installed FF5 and its been working great for me so far. Much better than Chrome ever would.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
MalleeFoul 21st Jun
I have used firefox for years, and up until the previous release have only seen improvements when compared to other browsers (ok Chrome was fast). then came 4 and a few sites wouldn't work - whereas IE would run them stress free (talk about a role reversal!). I personally want to forget 4 alltogether. 5 is running great, all those pesky antique coded sites I need are working fluently and it took less than no time to update. I'm sold. FF5 yeah.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
Alexander2011 21st Jun
really .in my opinion, avant browser is one of the lowest memory usage browser i used. i like using varies add-ons in firefox but they take up too much cpu and make my computer slow ...the news said:"especially on linux, and contiued huger for memory_seems doesn't no much improved if any ."will firefox be a low memorybrowser in win7 or xp
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
algotechie 22nd Jun
Right on. Exactly what I was thinking. Do they have a procedure to increment the version numbers (like, little changes get 0.01, medium ones get 0.1, major enhancements get 1, etc.) in place anymore or is it all arbitrary now? And in the latter case, what's the point of assigning those numbers? It's getting muddy like the HTML version numbering.
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@algotechie THIS. I always thought of version numbers as a way to gauge how far along a piece of software has come. I've always looked at it with the structure you mentioned. But your observation with 'is it all arbitrary now?' left me wondering. I want to think that maybe Mozilla is doing just that! It looks like a way to, not only avoid the bad press 4 got, but to also take a jab at how ludicrous versioning has become since tech just moves along like a freight train.

My theory is that 5, to me, will probably discourage other software (big and small) from trying to get away with the same thing, it's like Mozilla's way of bringing that mentality to light. So this may be more of a chess move than a technicality or a by-the-books thing.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
diotima1947 22nd Jun
The IE developers should be grateful to Mozilla and Firefox, otherwise they wouldn't have a job. And the rest of us would still be using IE6. The only reason Microsoft put any effort into IE was because of competition from Firefox.
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Mozilla are following Google's trend here, where version numbers don't mean major changes when it comes to web browsers. Chrome should really be at version 5-6 but that's not how the numbering system works.

It's odd you mention Word 2. When Word 6 was a major upgrade and it jumped from Word 2 to Word 6 because Word for MS-DOS had reached version 5. Word 6 was chosen to no confuse users.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
richardmitnick 22nd Jun
Still getting used to FF4
Granted FF and Chrome are heads above IE and have been for the past few releases. The two things that I noticed that are more of a 'production' improvement are the Daashpanel and App Tabs. These two items will help me be more productive online and that is what the "New Broswer" is looking at. Becoming the desktop of the 90's with all the new SaaS apps being launched everywhere.
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"Meanwhile, some browser fans might be crying into their beer about relatively small software releases being given major version names without a committee of openistas first poring over the philosophical consequences of such a dynamic, corporate-like move."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/21/mozilla_firefox_5/

I find this quote to be relevant...
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Wonderful Browser
dwightstegall0 22nd Jun
But for Android the king is Skyfire. FireFox mobile can only play videos at YouTube. Pay a one time fee of $2.99 and you can watch videos almost anywhere a desktop can.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
The Rifleman Updated - 22nd Jun
I downloaded it for both Linux and Windows Vista 64. WHAT A DISASTER !!! I normally run the newest Linux version standalone and it wouldn't even execute. OK... So I'll try it in a Linux VM. - Won't run and won't install. So... Over to my Windows Vista 64 VM. Installs fine. - Runs fine. - Disables most of my Add-Ons and Plug-ins J - U - S - T FINE !!!! - DAMN IT! - AGAIN!

This is the primary reason Firefox Users are turning away from Firefox. It's the only Web-Browser this kind of thing happens in. I use the top five to test my Web-Site in and Firefox is the only one I HATE!!! to upgrade full rev! Where did they put that "Save All Tabs" feature now?!
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
blind obedience 23rd Jun
@The Rifleman

What Add-Ons and plug-in are you using?

I've upgraded from 4.01 to 5.0 and it was smooth as silk.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
The Rifleman 24th Jun
@blind obedience
The more popular ones like Ad-block Plus, DownloadHelper, A Strata Theme, Forecastfox, and so forth. All up-to-date and all broke under the upgrade in both Linux and Windows Vista. Both Operating Systems are also fully up-to-date.

This also happened when I went from 3.x.x to 4.0.0 but not 4.0.0 to 4.0.1. It's never the minor revs that cause the problem. It's the full revs that cause major, major headaches and frustration. This also happened from 1 to 2 and from 2 to 3 in both Operating Systems. I'm glad it worked for someone 'cause it never works for me and I am finally fed up. - As are my friends with whom it has happened to without fail on full rev upgrades.
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@The Rifleman

Duh!

Mozilla makes the core browser. OTHER PEOPLE make the add-ons. Thus, it may take a few days or a few weeks for the add-ons to catch up. THIS IS WELL-KNOWN. If you absolutely must have a particular add-on, then either CHECK that the add-on has been up-dated, or just grit your teeth and wait a few days (or maybe a few weeks, in some cases) before getting the absolute latest, OMG! greatest version of the browser.

It's not rocket science -- and you're computer-savvy enough to know better.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
The Rifleman Updated - 25th Jun
@bswiss
Your comment is noted and correct. However, the question still remains, Why is Mozilla Firefox the only browser to suffer this type of issue? You don't see it in Opera, I.E., or other browsers. Just Firefox. Most likely due to core incompatibility in the new rev.

The sad thing right now is the only browser that can trump Firefox is I.E. 9. I like it so much, I'm looking for a hack to run it in Unix/Linux! W.I.N.E. obviously is an option and so is the mere $40.00 for Crossover which, in my opinion is better than W.I.N.E. simply because it's backed by money and not! an outrageous amount either. I have other programs that are more suited for Crossover so we'll see which way we go there.
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I don't care how "new" or "improved" Firefox is -- it still doesn't release it's process when it closes. I'm not about to use a browser that forces me to (a) open Task Manager, (b) navigate to Running Processes, (c) scroll down to Firefox, (d) stop the Firefox process, and (d) exit Task Manager, just to get Firefox to load again. As long as this continues to occur every time I run Firefox, it's a dud, in my book.
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RE: Firefox 5: New, but improved?
moraglen@... 22nd Jun
Well, I rather have new FF 5 every 2 month or so than have to wait over a year to see all the "new" features!

Yes versions are important, only to the extent that they serve as a reference in conversations.
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I have to admit, there doesn't seem to be too many noticable changes to FF5 from FF4. I don't agree about the aggressive version numbering jump either. However, when I look at Chrome and see that it has only been around for 3 years and in that time it has jumped to version 14?? (v4->v8 in 2010, v9-v14 this year alone) What software in all of history has ever jumped versions that fast? Google has distorted user perception by jumping so quick. To boot, Firefox's first release was 6 years prior to Chrome and Chrome's design benefited from the experience of Firefox.
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Lack of stability on Linux?
Media Whore 22nd Jun
Really? I leave it (currently v3.6.17 from Ubuntu) running for weeks on end and never have any crash problems. (And no, I don't just visit static web sites...)

Importantly, though, is that I use Adblock Plus and Flashblock. That certainly minimizes the stress on FF.
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