Good-Bye Alta-Vista, Delicious

Good-Bye Alta-Vista, Delicious

Summary: How much longer can Yahoo! keep its doors open?


Thanks to a leaked Yahoo! screenshot, we know that Yahoo! is closing the door on several of its services including the social bookmarking site Delicious and the search engine AltaVista. That may not seem like a big deal to you, but there was a time when both Delicious and AltaVista were very big deals.

I've read several pieces bemoaning the end of Delicious. As Marshal Kirkpatrick points out in his piece on the end of Delicious:

It's a loss not just for the many people who used Delicious to archive links of interest to them around the web, it's a loss for the future -- for what could have been. Five years later, people are just beginning to appreciate the value of passively published user activity data made available for analysis, personalization and more. That could have been you, Delicious.

He's right, of course, but other services, such as StumbleUpon can take its place. No, StumbleUpon is not the same as Delicious, but I suspect most Delicious users will be able to migrate to it and not miss their old home much after a few months.

The story I find sad is the ignoble end for AltaVista. You see AltaVista could have been a contender. Heck, AltaVista could have been the champ. AltaVista was Google before there was Google.

If you came to the Web before AltaVista came along you would have been horrified by what passed for Web search engines and the pre-Web search engines like WAIS and Gopher.

Back then, in the early 90s, we thought they were great. Well, they were, compared to wandering at random and relying upon the suggestions of friends to find cool and useful Internet and Web sites, which is what we had been doing. When Yahoo stared in 1994 it was just a way for two graduate student friends, David Filo and Jerry Yang, to share their bookmarks. Now, it's old hat, but in its day Yahoo! was revolutionary. For many years, Yahoo! was the organized guide to the Web.

Yahoo! was great, but you still had to navigate your way through what seemed like "a maze of twisty little categories, all alike." Then, AltaVista with its simple search box interface, that any contemporary Google user would recognize at a glance, and you could suddenly find whatever you wanted on the Web without already having a good idea where it was or being a master of Boolean expressions.

AltaVista was great. AltaVista was wonderful. In its brief heyday, about 1995 to 1997, AltaVista was the engine. Its corporate owner even started to offer other related services such as a local version of AltaVista for your PC or intranet and an e-mail service. Sound like any other big search company you might know?

So why aren't we saying, "I just AltaVistaed him and I don't think he's right for us." It's not that Google was so much better from day one. It wasn't. Unfortunately for AltaVista it was cursed with lousy management and a constant ownership changes. Harry McCracken can explain it better than I can:

The service [AltaVista] probably would have run into trouble no matter what-it seemed to be doomed to suffer from mismanagement and/or benign neglect from the get-go, at first from its inventor, Digital Equipment Corporation, which treated it as a technology demo rather than a potentially massive business. It was then owned by Compaq (1998-1998) CMGI (1999-2003), Overture (2003), and Yahoo (2003 to present-it picked up AltaVista along with Overture, not because it wanted to own it). Yes, that's five owners in five years.

Need I say more?

Now, my only question is how long will it take Yahoo to follow these services down the drain? As far as I'm concerned when Yahoo! let its search engine brain be replaced by Microsoft's Bing in July 2009I thought it had become a dead company walking.

Just look at the numbers. For November 2010 comScore showed Yahoo as having 16.4% of U.S. searches. In July 2009, Yahoo had 19.3%. Yahoo is continued its slow decline.

When Yahoo! CEO Carol Bartz came on board, her job was to turn Yahoo! Around. Since, Bartz's dumped projects like the open-source e-mail server Zimbra, fired some employees, and a year and a half after the Microsoft search and ad deal was made, it's shown little effect on Yahoo's bottom line.

Now, maybe as Bartz said during the last earnings call, "First you walk, then you run, then you fly," and once Yahoo has fully transited to Microsoft's adCenter platform in the U.S. and Canada, "then we can really fly." I wish I could believe her. As I say good-bye to Delicious and AltaVista, I wonder just how much longer it will be before I see Yahoo! crashing instead of flying.

Topics: Social Enterprise, Browser, Collaboration

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  • Forgive my asking...

    ...but isn't Yahoo still the largest email provider, by a substantial margin? I wouldn't write them off just yet.

    Besides, if Yahoo folds, Google will attract a lot more attention from the various government anti-trust agencies, especially in the EU. Google had better hope that Yahoo gets their act together.
  • RE: Good-Bye Alta-Vista, Delicious

    It's sad to see AltaVista go. It was THE search engine of the 90s and early 2000s. :-(
    • RE: Good-Bye Alta-Vista, Delicious


      Nah, I moved around all the search engines pretty regularly in the mid '90s, but always found the long since forgotten infoseek to have the best results overall.

      The spawning of underground site Astalavista was however, an amusing commentary on the original's popularity.
      • remember askjeeves?

        I used to love that search engine, then they had to go change the name to, lame.
      • RE: Good-Bye Alta-Vista, Delicious

        @Playdrv4me Infoseek was quite good in its day--especially if you took the trouble to master its Boolean search expressions. Its downfall was being bought by, God help us, Disney.

  • I'm beginning to like SJV-N ...

    ... instead of the 'M$ have released Windows Home Server, let's buy one' or 'Apple have released the iPad let's buy one' ...

    ... some knowledge of IT history, extrapolated to a possible future.
  • RE: Good-Bye Alta-Vista, Delicious

    AltaVista will be missed. I remember when that was THE search engine to use.
    Loverock Davidson
  • A bit of history

    Indeed a sad bit of history. For those unfamiliar with Altavista, it was THE first search engine.

    At one point AltaVista used to have a Web page explaining how they got started. Although Digital Equipment Corporation ("DEC"), inventor of the mini-computer, was part of the development of the Internet from the beginning, when the Net took off everyone thought they were Johnny-come-latelys. One day a group of DEC engineers were sitting around wondering how to let the world know DEC wasn't a newbie. Somebody asked, "What do you think is the TOTAL amount of data on the Net?" They estimated
    "probably around 900 Gigabytes". Somebody else responded, "You know, we could [b][i]index[/i][/b] that amount of data! [b][i]Everybody[/i][/b] would come to [b][i]us[/i][/b]!" They did, and the search engine was born.
  • RE: Good-Bye Alta-Vista, Delicious

    I love it when people publish rumors as facts without checking sources.

    Nice one. Delicious lives on.
  • Delicious replacement

    I'd say Facebook has become the new Digg. Everyone shares their favorite links on there. And with tools like,, and, you can now search them.
  • RE: Good-Bye Alta-Vista, Delicious

    I just heard that delicious may be sold instead of shutting down. However, since the future of the service is still unknown I have exported all of my delicious bookmarks and put them in as the service promises to be around for a very long time.
  • Gopher, a search engine?

    I thought it was a protocol?