Linux and Open Source

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols & Paula Rooney

Linus Torvalds would like to see a GNOME fork

By | August 3, 2011, 4:58pm PDT

Summary: Linus Torvalds, Linux’s creator, really, really dislikes the GNOME 3 Linux desktop. He’s far from the only one.

Those of us, who’ve known Linus Torvalds over the years, like yours truly, know that Linux’s inventor, Mr. Penguin if you will, is a quiet gentle soul who never raises his voice when something bothers him. Ahem. I lie like a rug. While I have known Torvalds for decades, he’s anything but shy and he never suffers fools gladly. So, it shouldn’t come as much of a surprise that when Torvalds decided he didn’t like the new version of the GNOME desktop, he didn’t mince any words about it.

It all started in a public Google+ posting by Dave Jones, a Red Hat engineer and one of the maintainers of Fedora Linux, where Jones announced some minor Linux kernel news for a Fedora update. As the discussion continued, Torvalds joined in and remarked, “Could you also fork gnome, and support a gnome-2 environment? I want my sane interfaces back. I have yet to meet anybody who likes the unholy mess that is gnome-3.”

He’s not the only one. I also don’t like GNOME 3 either. I much prefer the last version of GNOME 2.x: GNOME 2.32. It may be “out of date,” but it’s the default desktop for my current favorite desktop Linux: Mint 11.

Why? Well, I’ll let Mr. Torvalds tell you:

it’s not that I have rendering problems with gnome3 (although I do have those too), it’s that the user experience of Gnome3 even without rendering problems is unacceptable.

Why can’t I have shortcuts on my desktop? Why can’t I have the expose functionality? Wobbly windows? Why does anybody sane think that it’s a good idea to have that “go to the crazy ‘activities’” menu mode?

I used to be upset when gnome developers decided it was “too complicated” for the user to remap some mouse buttons. In gnome3, the developers have apparently decided that it’s “too complicated” to actually do real work on your desktop, and have decided to make it really annoying to do.

Here’s an example of “the crazy”: you want a new terminal window. So you go to “activities” and press the “terminal” thing that you’ve made part of your normal desktop thing (but why can’t I just have it on the desktop, instead of in that insane “activities” mode?). What happens? Nothing. It brings your existing terminal to the forefront.

That’s just crazy crap. Now I need to use Shift-Control-N in an old terminal to bring up a new one. Yeah, that’s a real user experience improvement. Sure.

I’m sure there are other ways, but that’s just an example of the kind of “head up the arse” behavior of gnome3. Seriously. I have been asking other developers about gnome3, they all think it’s crazy.

I’m using Xfce [a lightweight Unix/Linux desktop). I think it’s a step down from gnome2, but it’s a huge step up from gnome3. Really.

As you can see, Torvalds is far from shy about voicing his opinion about GNOME. He wasn’t the only one. Dirk Hohndel, Intel’s chief Linux and open-source technologist, said in the same thread, “Gnome 3 is just completely unusable as far as I’m concerned.”

Since then, Hohndel’s been giving GNOME another try, but, “It’s still not exactly what I’m used to, but getting closer.” That said,  Hohndel observed later in his discussion, after some especially trying times with a large display, “Does it worry you that I need a dozen Gnome lovers to help me just to do fairly regular things with my computer? Things that all used to work just fine with Gnome2?”

It should worry them. It should worry them a lot.

Long time readers of mine know that I was really unhappy when KDE, the other major Linux desktop, decided to go in a new direction with KDE 4. As KDE 4 matured, I eventually started to like it.

I’m not sure that’s going to happen with GNOME 3.x. With KDE 4, I saw where they wanted to go, I just didn’t think it was a great idea. With GNOME… I really don’t know what they’re trying to do. It looks to me like change just for the sake of change, and that’s pointless.

Of course, it’s one thing when just a technology journalist, like me, doesn’t like what you’re doing. But, when leading Linux developers dislike a desktop this much, and one major Linux distribution, Ubuntu, dislikes it so much that they decided to replace the GNOME 3 shell with an entirely different desktop approach, Unity, I think it’s time for GNOME’s developers to sit down and seriously consider whether they’ve should backtrack to the GNOME 2 architecture.

If they don’t? Well this is open source. Someone could always fork the project. If things don’t start changing for the better, maybe someone should.

Related Stories:

Ubuntu: The desktop Linux with the cloud inside

The top five Linux desktop vendors

Don’t Panic! It’s only Linux 3.0

Fedora 15’s five best features

Mint 11: The “Un-Unity” Ubuntu desktop Linux

Kick off your day with ZDNet's daily e-mail newsletter. It's the freshest tech news and opinion, served hot. Get it.

Topics

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

Disclosure

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols is a freelance writer. He does not own stocks or other investments in any technology company.

Biography

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it!

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

Talkback Most Recent of 142 Talkback(s)

  • RE: Linus Torvalds would like to see a GNOME fork
    If someone tried to distribute me, I'd be pretty antsy!

    On the other hand, Linus is right. Gnome 3 (and Ubuntu's Unity) are the wrong direction. I know they're trying to dumb things down for Windows expatriates, but taking away functionality from long time users of Linux is just plain stupid. I've moved to LXDE for the moment, which works fine enough but lacks some of the features I got to know and love in Gnome.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    edvardlarsson
    3rd Aug
  • stop blaming windows
    @edvardlarsson The failure of desktop linux is its own doing.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    otaddy
    3rd Aug
  • RE: Linus Torvalds would like to see a GNOME fork
    @otaddy
    Go troll in some other place.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    kirovs@...
    4th Aug
  • you'll have to do better than that
    @kirovs ...to fix the problems with Linux.

    It didnt have to be this way, all this petty bickering cost desktop linux its chance.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    otaddy
    4th Aug
  • Who says it's failed?
    @otaddy
    ...and how many Linux users do you think are likely to give up Linux over this? As pointed out in the article, there are other desktop managers, and switching is relatively easy.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    John L. Ries
    4th Aug
  • I agree
    @otaddy Linux lack of focus has really hurt the OS. It would be like several companies introducing Windows but with UI changes. In the end they end up working agsinst each other.
    Linux openness is its achiles heal.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    jscott418
    4th Aug
  • Linux's Openness Is the Only Reason It's Still Here
    @jscott418
    The openness of Linux is the only reason it exists at all. You want focus? Try using OS/2 or BeOS (both very good operating systems). They had focus, but they don't have market share.

    The availability of multiple window managers is more about the Unix philosophy than about Open Source anyway (although those two things do tend to fit together well). You can generally run any of these window managers on any system that supports X-Window, not just Linux. Linux is just the most popular system that supports X-Window. I wonder how it got to be the most popular of those systems? Could it have something to do with it being released under the GPL? Nah, couldn't be.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    CFWhitman
    4th Aug
  • ZDNet Gravatar
    ParsonsJon
    5th Aug
    • Flagged
  • RE: Linus Torvalds would like to see a GNOME fork
    @otaddy Follow those lines of thought and Windows should have died with Vista.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    TGM_1979
    15th Sep
  • RE: Linus Torvalds would like to see a GNOME fork
    @edvardlarsson No version of Windows I know of prevents you from creating icons on the desktop or uses silly, over the top animations.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    CobraA1
    3rd Aug
  • RE: Linus Torvalds would like to see a GNOME fork
    @CobraA1 Yeah, when I read this I didnt know what the author was talking about...I've used Ubuntu server 11 with Gnome 3...you can drag icons onto the desktop all day if you want...that terminal thing where you have to instantiate it differently going to "File/New" isn't so bad...most other programs behave that way
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Jtalbott22
    4th Aug
  • RE: Linus Torvalds would like to see a GNOME fork
    @CobraA1
    Haven't tried Gnome 3 yet, how's it stack up compared to Unity?
    Gnome 2 was pretty sweet for modifications and ease of use. Unity is several steps down for modifications although it's a lot better than the reviews claim and the ease of use is working it's way up, just takes getting used to.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    tmsbrdrs
    5th Aug
  • RE: Linus Torvalds would like to see a GNOME fork
    @Linus I just want to be linux guru like u,pliz advice me on how and what to do.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Alecky20
    24th Oct
  • RE: Linus Torvalds would like to see a GNOME fork
    @edvardlarsson Exactly. Personally, I've moved over to XFCE (from KDE3) and have been using it for years now. I've heard good things about LXDE though.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    snoop0x7b
    4th Aug
  • GNOME
    I've never understood GNOME.
    GNOME 2 was frustrating enough. From time to time I forced myself to use it for weeks at a time to get an idea of what people saw in it. I never figured it out. GNOME 3 and Unity are just a bad joke.

    I prefer the power of the far more configurable and productive KDE desktop.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Tim Patterson
    4th Aug

Talkback - Tell Us What You Think

Formatting +
BB Codes - Note: HTML is not supported in forums
  • [b] Bold [/b]
  • [i] Italic [/i]
  • [u] Underline [/u]
  • [s] Strikethrough [/s]
  • [q] "Quote" [/q]
  • [ol][*] 1. Ordered List [/ol]
  • [ul][*] · Unordered List [/ul]
  • [pre] Preformat [/pre]
  • [quote] "Blockquote" [/quote]

The best of ZDNet, delivered

ZDNet Newsletters

Get the best of ZDNet delivered straight to your inbox

Facebook Activity

White Papers, Webcasts, & Resources