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The top five Linux desktop vendors

By | July 29, 2011, 1:42pm PDT

Summary: Sick of Windows, but don’t feel comfortable installing Linux yourself? No problem. There are many vendors who will sell a Linux laptop or desktop that’s ready to go.

It’s really not that hard to give Linux a try on a desktop or notebook. But, I get it. Not everyone is comfortable with burning operating system ISOs to a CD and then booting a computer from it. If that’s you, or a friend of yours, then consider just buying a PC or laptop that has Linux on it that’s ready to go.

Unfortunately, you can’t just go down to your local Best Buy or Sam’s Club and get one. While Linux PCs show up from time to time in retail outlets, the odds are against you finding one. Instead, you’re going to need to order one online. The good news is that there are numerous, well-regarded vendors that carry Linux systems.

Indeed, many big name computer manufacturers, such as Dell, HP, and Lenovo will sell you, or your business anyway, Linux PCs. I’m sorry to say though that even Dell, which at one time did a good job of supporting Ubuntu Linux, has made it very hard to pre-order Linux-powered PCs. It can still be done, but it’s not easy, and the truth of the matter is none of these vendors currently make it easy for an individual to buy a Linux PC.

Instead, your best move is to buy a Linux desktop or notebook from one of the smaller vendors that specialize in Linux. You may not have heard of these companies but they’ve all been in business for a long time and delivery quality goods. You can buy from them with confidence.

Eight Virtues

This Georgia-based business builds its own AMD-powered desktops and Intel-powered notebooks. On these you can either pick their customized Ubuntu Linux; or a variety of others. Their list of ready-to-go Linux distributions includes: CentOS, a Red Hat variant; Debian; Fedora; Mandriva; openSUSE; PCLinuxOS; Sabayon Linux; or my favorite desktop Linux: Linux Mint.

Eight Virtues prices tend to be a bit lower than other Linux-specific desktop resellers. Many of the others aim for power-users looking for high-end hardware. At Eight Virtues, you can get a basic box and then decide if you want to move up.

Emperor Linux

Emperor has been in the Linux PC business since the 90s. These days they sell high-end Dell Latitude and Lenovo ThinkPad T and W laptops. On these, you get your choice of their own house-brand Emperor Linux, which is based on Fedora; Ubuntu; Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL); SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED); openSUSE; Fedora, Debian ; and SlackWare. They also offer not just the current versions, but older ones as well. At Emperor Linux, you really can have your Linux PC your way.

If you’re new to Linux, I’d recommend you go with Ubuntu 11.04 or 10.10. Emperor offers both versions.

Los Alamos Computers

Los Alamos also specializes in high-end Linux-powered laptops and computers. They offer Lenovo ThinkCenter, ThinkStation, and ThinkPad T and X series laptops. On these, you can get a selection of Linux desktop distributions including Fedora 15; Ubuntu 11.04 and 10.10; and the nothing but free-software Tisquel Linux distro.

Another interesting plus for Los Alamos is they sometimes offer clearance units. Since, from where I sit, you can’t go wrong with a ThinkPad for your laptop, I’d keep an eye on this area if I were you. You just might be able to get a steal of a deal.

System76

It’s a toss-up between system76 or ZaReason as to which is the better known of the Linux-specific desktop companies. Both are very good and they’ve earned their reputations as being outstanding computer vendors.

System76 builds their own laptops and desktops. They also offer servers. On all their platforms, they only offer Ubuntu 11.04. I’ve used system76 laptops myself. They tend to be very solid and well-made.

ZaReason

ZaReason also offers laptops, desktops, and servers that they’ve build themselves. Like system76 they offer a range of systems from the inexpensive to the Chimera. ZaReason calls this last one the most powerful Ubuntu laptop around. With its Intel i7 quad-core processor, USB 3.0 ports, and up to 12GBs of RAM, they’re probably right.

On these machines, ZaReason offers Ubuntu and some of its variations such as Kubuntu, with its KDE desktop. In addition, the Calif.-based company offers Fedora and Mint on their hardware.

So which one should you shop at? I don’t have a particular favorite. While I’m prejudiced towards ThinkPads–I love the TrackPoint–I’ve at least played with laptops from all these vendors and I’ve talked to their customers. Each of them has their fans. I recommend shopping around and finding what looks like the best deal for you.

I can also guarantee one thing: When you call any of these companies with a question, you’ll get answers from people who know what they’re talking about. That’s more than I can say for any Windows PC vendor these days. Yes, I’m looking at you Dell!

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We do. Psychsoftpc
psoft@... 16th May
We @ Psychsoftpc http://www.psychsoftpc.com make all of our computers by hand right here in Massachusetts and we preinstall Linux as well. We were preinstalling Linux many years before Dell, yet still get lost in the shuffle. Oh, well.
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Economies of scale is the problem
OffsideInVancouver 29th Jul
I took a look at the Eight Virtues site, the laptop closest in spec to the Dell Inspiron I got in Future Shop was almost twice as expensive, and obviously doesn't come with a Windows license.

Makes you realise just how much the big vendors can drive down prices.
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lcafiero 29th Jul
Hey, Steven -- Good list, and like you I'm a ThinkPad guy to the core, and you're right that one should shop around. However, I've had an opportunity to use ZaReason's hardware and I find it to be top-notch. In addition, ZaReason CEO Cathy Malmrose not only talks the talk but walks the walk when it comes to FOSS by being active in groups like Partimus, a San Francisco Bay Area-based group providing computers and Free Software system administration support to several schools.

I'd buy a ZaReason laptop in a heartbeat, assuming I had a few hundred extra bucks lying around.

[Oh, and before the GNU-bies descend on you, it's Trisquel GNU/Linux. Better fix that happy ]

Larry Cafiero
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Kudo?s to all vendors named in article.

Hooah!
I am fairly certain that System76 uses another Asian OEM and brands them.
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Who does anymore

So Asian OEM is bad or cost effective.
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@daikon Both?
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@daikon
In answer to your question "who does anymore", Zareason does. They even list the crew on their site.
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We do. Psychsoftpc
psoft@... 16th May
We @ Psychsoftpc http://www.psychsoftpc.com make all of our computers by hand right here in Massachusetts and we preinstall Linux as well. We were preinstalling Linux many years before Dell, yet still get lost in the shuffle. Oh, well.
but most if not all components, are fabbed and even assembled in the Orient. Especially complete items such as notebooks/netbooks/tablets/phones, etc.

In fact there are only like 5~10 ODMs for laptops. And all the OEMs, Apple, Dell, HP, Leveno, etc, use those ODM's, Asus, Clevo, Foxconn, MSI, etc, for their various models, ......

Only to specific/different design specifications.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laptop_brands_and_manufacturers
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facebook@... 30th Jul
@LazLong
I am responding to a comment in the blog "System76 builds their own laptops and desktops." Yes, very few companies run their own manufacturing lines. And, thanks for the link. I believe MSI is the manufacturer for System76.
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@LazLong Actually I'm pretty sure Quanta is largest single ODM of all laptops of any brand and yes, only Asus and MSI are (semi) big names that make their own. AFAIR Foxconn holds similar major share in the big brand x86 server market with Quanta agressively biting into, not sure what's the case with desktops but they are somewhat of a dying species.

All this creates interesting market dynamics and allows of emergence of new brand names. Remember how HTC rose from this position of monopolistic smartphones ODM making about 90% of all WnMobo smartphones into being one of top 5 smartphone brands.

It took a little push by four factors: Apple iPhone causing apparent death of WinMobo, Google (and emergence of Android), being smart and building an IP war chest, and being pushed by HPs (their biggest customer) sudden escape from the whole market (tho this is related to whole WinMobo thing). They planned for worst-case and played it smart at point where they pretty much had little choice if they wanted to survive. And now they are a brand. A big one. And there is money in being a brand AND an ODM. Decent money. Just look at Asus.

I beleive Lenovo used to be IBMs biggest ODM supplier, and I'm pretty sure Quanta is considering a market niche where it can keep that buck that brands retain just for being brands. It's already shipping custom servers to large cloud vendors (a practice that was started with Google and Gigabyte years ago), but servers are not a consumer market so I'm sure they have a laptop brand or something in mind when the time is right. Perhaps Desktop Linux will be their Android, if that train ever comes.

One cannot avoid to come to a conclusion that it's just the IP war chests that keep US companies on top which is why US govt and DoJ protect the insane patenting and civil litigation system you have. It's become a strategic asset of the US as long as you're the biggest consumer market in the world, but common sense says you cannot remain the biggest consumer market in the world for long. Now I digressed way too far.
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I think he just meant that System76 doesn't resell a name branded laptop like a Thinkpad or something like that, but produces their own brand of laptop. Like most laptops, they begin with a base model from a big ODM and customize it to their specifications.

Of course, it's useful to know that most laptop brands are made this way. In the past, I've had reliability issues with Clevo based laptops, which tend to have impressive specs.
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Chances are people who would go online and search specifically for Linux computers most likely know how to burn it and install it from a CD/DVD.

Plus last time I looked, Linux computers you can order online, say from System 76, are not that cheap considering Linux is free and there was no need to pay "extra" for Windows. So either way you are getting ripped off.

If I really wanted a system with Linux installed, I would search for a computer without an OS and then install whatever I wish, be it Windows, Linux, or BSD. That is the best way to ensure I'm not being overcharged.
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@statuskwo5
Sure you could get a system with no OS on it. That is if you want to take the time to install an OS.

When you purchase a system from say System 76 you get 1 year Tech support and 1 year warranty.

Sure a system from say Best Buy or any other retail store may be cheaper. How much does Geek Squad charge to click though the setup of the OS, $100 last I checked. Who do you call for Tech support after you buy that system from Best Buy. For another $100 dollars Best Buy/Geek Squad will provide Tech Support.

Right there is another $200, sure some may not do the setup or Tech support route. The last time I visited Best Buy customer after customer selected the 1 year Tech support and setup fee route. This my not happen everyday.
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@daikon How long does it take to install a Linux OS? 15-30 minutes? Plus anyone installing Linux could probably BE a tech support person. happy
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@daikon
The problem here is that once the machine has an OS other than Windows, Geek Squad is a no go.
Weird that a group called Geek Squad has so few actual Geeks in it.

You're right though, the Linux OEMs give 1 year full tech support and, at least in the case of Zareason, when you purchase the machine, you'd actually be talking to someone who has built that machine when calling tech support. I'd say at the very least, that's worth giving a call for.
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james.vandamme 19th Jan
"The problem here is that once the machine has an OS other than Windows, Geek Squad is a no go." Well, add 5 minutes for dual boot setup.
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There is always this.

Los Alamos: Lenovo ThinkPad T420i starts at $935.

At Lenovo web site: Lenovo ThinkPad T420i with Windows 7 Home Premium 64 sale price $789.

Are you sure you can't put your own Linux on it?
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cost of service.
shryko 1st Aug
@Bill4
These guys are doing work FOR you. THAT is why it costs more. They are taking the time and cost of receiving the device, doing the installation/configuration and spending to ship it out to you. Lenovo only pays to build and ship.

You can put your own Linux on it, yes, but that's basically going against the point of the article. Not everyone is willing, or wants, to bother with the effort involved. Thus, they pay others to do it for them.
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RE: The top five Linux desktop vendors
jgm@... Updated - 1st Aug
@shryko You're not answering the big questions. All they need to do is use Clonezilla and clone an image onto the HD. And there's practically no effort in installing an OS... answer a question or two about partitioning, click a few buttons, then sit back. Given that Linux is ridiculously customizable (even moreso the KDE desktop-based distros) the user would probably prefer making the install choices themselves anyway.

Bill4's question remains: who would be willing to pay $146 for someone to install Linux for them? And where do they live, because I'll do it for them for that price.

Finally, if the buyer is able to get a refund for the unused Windows copy on their PC (hard but not impossible), the cost difference is going to shoot into the stratosphere.
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@jgm
He answered the question pertaining to the article. Not every person is willing or able to install an OS. Personally, I like doing it. It's easy, lets me set up the machine how I like and gives me credibility when walking someone else through the same thing.
By the way, the cost difference on a Windows machine vs. a Linux machine can sometimes be the other way around.
Due to OEMs packing so much crapware (another reason to go the Linux OEM route) onto their machine, the manufacturors can actually make money simply by installing Windows on that machine in the first place.
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Thank you!
kcredden2 30th Jul
Nice to see some linux sellers being posted here. The last laptop I ordered was an Asus Eee 1000ha, and it had XP. I stripped it in 24 hours after learning how to use the netbook and stuck Ubuntu on it (Now runs Deban 6/KDE 4.6). I was irritated that I gave MS $30 for their useless OS because they /HAD to have this piece of the pie/. When my notebook died, I had to buy the netbook in a hurry due to school, and I didn't have nearly 3x more for a linux based netbook. If I could build net/notebooks myself, I wouldn't have bought the Asus. At least now I have enough budgeted away to get another net/notebook from one of those linux companies, if I need it again happy.
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@kcredden2
Check out Zareasons offerings. Even their netbooks look more impressive than their Windows competition.
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RE: The top five Linux desktop vendors
Rabid Howler Monkey Updated - 30th Jul
From the blog article:
"Not everyone is comfortable with burning operating system ISOs to a CD and then booting a computer from it.

Its rarely been this easy in my experience. Partitioning layout and networking configuration, just to name two installation steps, are likely to be confusing for those new to Linux, especially if theyre not Windows or Mac OS X geeks. Having a /home partition is advantageous for future OS upgrades and new Linux users will likely be doing an upgrade rather than a clean install when their current OS version nears end-of-support. Some distros automatically provide a /home partition during installation and some dont. And, for me, networking configuration has either been easy or hard. No in-between.

Drivers. Its also not unusual to have to download and install drivers after the install. Some distros, upon first boot, will provide a balloon message or similar listing the drivers that need to be downloaded and installed and one just selects OK, INSTALL, etc. This is easy and commonly includes drivers for wireless and video cards. Otherwise, one may have to search the package tool for the driver packages needed or use a search engine to find the driver packages needed from forums, howtos and blogs on the Internet. Ive done all of the above at one time or another.

Then theres the case of no sound card driver available for a given distro (a Lenovo ThinkCentre). I installed a different Linux distro that had the driver support. Or no wireless card driver available for another distro (a Dell laptop). In this case, I had to wait for the next version of the distro to be released to get the needed driver support (in a newer Linux kernel version).

Finally, my 2003-vintage HP desktop. Debian, Ubuntu and OpenSUSE will not install on this particular PC. Ive tried all of the boot options and spent hours on the Internet looking for a solution. No joy. OpenSolaris installed like a breeze (not a single boot option necessary) and ran flawlessly. Heh.

My point is that these vendors provide a service to customers who want a PC with desktop Linux pre-installed on new hardware. Most people want the OS pre-installed on new hardware. Plus, they get a year of technical support. And the apps are free.
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@Rabid Howler Monkey

"...likely to be confusing for those new to Linux, especially if theyre not Windows or Mac OS X geeks."

Actually, it's the Windows geeks who have the most trouble (Apple/OS X geeks, oddly enough, can cope better).

Windows geeks make the mistake of thinking that because they can operate Windows, they "know computers", make mistakes based on Windows-centric assumptions -- and then blame Linux for the consequences. Utter newbies, on the other hand, realize that they're ignorant, Read The F***ing Manual or other directions, and follow those directions. If they need, they tend to ask useful, relevant questions.

Since at least 2002, non-techie pre-teens have been successfully installing Linux -- on their own. Since at least 2004, financial consultancies have been converting their servers and over half their few dozen desktops to Linux -- without a tech-support employee to do it for them. Today, Windows "experts" still proclaim that Linux is "too hard" for mere mortals (though some of them will assert credibility by claiming to use and like it themselves -- but just as a server system).
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Rabid Howler Monkey Updated - 1st Aug
@bswiss Funny that everyone has their own idea of what a Windows geek is. One could easily imagine a Mac OS X geek patterned after your idea of a Windows geek.

Since I used the term I'll elaborate on my view (it's more than merely 'operating' a Windows PC). A Windows geek has actually installed and upgraded Windows OSs, has managed FAT32/NTFS partitions, has downloaded/installed drivers obtained from OEMs/component mfrs, has set up and troubleshooted wired/wifi networking including software firewalls and routers, has removed crapware (sometimes via a re-install of Windows), understands and respects least privilege, the importance of patching and how to use the functionality provided in the OS to harden their system (e.g., turning off unused services, managed file permissions). This is a short list.

My experience with Linux installations, especially from when I started experimenting with Linux several years ago, tells me that personal characteristics including patience, curiosity, openness and persistence help a great deal.

Also, based on people that I know and have known, the vast majority lack the interest and have better things to do with their time than install OSs. Thus, the market for new computers with OSs pre-installed.
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That Windows cripples the mind...
schmandel@... 3rd Aug
@bswiss
...is old news at this point. Retraining people who "know computers" only through the fun house mirror of Windows is an everyday necessity.
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@Rabid Howler Monkey: "Not everyone is comfortable with burning operating system ISOs to a CD and then booting a computer from it." He's talking about running a live CD - and yes, it is that simple. No install involved.

My recommendation for anyone who wants to try out Linux is to burn or buy a Puppy disc and run that for a while. It's designed to be easy to use, so it's a great way to get your feet wet. Plus, the entire OS loads into RAM, so it's lightning-fast - you may decide you don't need anything else.

Vastly cheaper than buying a new computer - in fact, you can use it to put some zip in an old, slow computer.
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Rabid Howler Monkey 3rd Aug
@Greenknight_z "Vastly cheaper than buying a new computer - in fact, you can use it to put some zip in an old, slow computer.

I like Puppy Linux so I tried booting the LiveCD on my recalcitrant 2003-era HP desktop (see my post above). No go. And as a reference, the OpenSolaris optical media (a CD-ROM) I referenced in my above post also includes LiveCD capability. Guess what? OpenSolaris boots into live mode and runs flawlessly on this old HP desktop PC.

Experimenting with desktop Linux via LiveCDs (or LiveDVDs) is a great idea to get a feel for the different flavors of desktop Linux. Different distros, desktop environments, package managers, etc.

However, one should not assume that old PCs are without problems. For completness, my other PCs, one slightly older and two newer, have no problem booting from Linux LiveCDs.
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sjaak327 Updated - 31st Jul
Did you think about why Dell doesn't do Linux anymore. I am betting it is because demand for it was so low (consumer market) that it didn't pay off to support it. It does cost money to support such configs, first there's drivers, the second consideration is support calls.
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Dell still does, but ...
normcf 31st Jul
@sjaak327 Well, that doesn't explain why the OEMs won't sell without OS (with no software support) at a reduced price. Hardware support for any OS could be accomplished with a usb boot disk, or ROM chip, that runs diagnostics. As well, Dell does sell some with Linux (http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/laptops?~ck=mn#!facets=80770~0~1791343&p=1). They're hard to find on the Dell site and almost impossible to compare to a Windows machine, but my attempts to compare show that they're close to the same price but the Linux machines are missing some hardware (e.g. 1G less RAM or no wireless built in). So, Dell must already have the support team for Linux in place. I suspect that Microsoft will slap the hand of an OEM if they make the Windows/Linux/no-os choice easy. I wonder what the OEMs would do if a big company was ordering in bulk with no OS?
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@normcf There are many stories around that MS will only sell Windows OS to computer makers at a highly discounted price if the computer maker agrees to install it on every machine they sell. Can anyone shed light on whether this is a true fact or just urban legend?
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Since I can buy
Michael Alan Goff 1st Aug
a Dell with Ubuntu?

I doubt it.
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@normcf These configurations are available in Eastern European markets -- and you assumed correctly that they're mostly bought (and sold, mind you) to install pirated Windows. This is done not because M$ doesn't care but EXACTLY because they do. They'd rather have pirated Windows than Linux in these skint markets. Additionally, in the US the hardware retails for cheap (just compare prices) that they can strong-arm everyone wanting to make ends meet (gotta love those economies of scale).
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Support Costs Are Still There
CFWhitman 1st Aug
@sjaak327
As nomcf pointed out, Dell still does sell Linux computers, so the support costs are still there. There are two very much more likely reasons for Dell to make it harder to buy Linux computers.

First, Microsoft gives them incentives to push the latest version of Windows. There is no question that this goes on.

Second, if Dell makes it too easy to buy a Linux PC they may find that some customers buy a Linux PC without being aware of it, and that really could be a problem if the customer is just assuming they are getting Windows (some customers are really oblivious to the possibility of a different operating system). Of course, the fact that the Linux PCs that they do sell are all worse deals than the Windows PCs makes this less likely, so it doesn't seem like that would be so much of a problem.
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Rabid Howler Monkey 1st Aug
@CFWhitman Third, no opportunity to make money by installing crapware. Just imagine if Dell installed a 30-day trial version of Codeweavers software (assuming that they would allow it).

Fourth, less opportunity for their cut of software sales from Microsoft Office and Symantec/McAfee Internet security suites. Codeweavers would actually be a nice option if Dell would provide technical support for its use.
And it has little to do with whether or not Linux is more complicated than Windows. But when you amortize the cost over a smaller revenue stream, it becomes relatively high compared to Windows, and that's all the bean counters care about.

We've done some pilots with Linux desktops, but we are still not ready to jump. Our server farms are 99 percent Linux, both CentOS and RHEL. It has cut millions of dollars per year off of our licensing and support costs. That is still the sweet spot for Linux.
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I found them at the Intel site and I haven't bought from them, http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/, but I looked at their configurations and it's quite refreshingly transparent to see the price drop $70 (last time I looked) when opting out of Windows.
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Dell & installing Linux
putt1ck 1st Aug
I just bought a custom-specced Dell E5420 without Windows installed (nor paid for). Installing Linux was less fraught and took less time than installing a Windows or Mac service pack, about 5 minutes from start to finish from a USB key.

No PC retailer can compete on price without the MS licence price support, but all of them will sell PCs/laptops without an OS or with Linux installed if you buy enough at a time; a few like Dell will sell an individual unit also.
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robert.w.michaelson@... 1st Aug
ibexpc.
I got a basic barebones pc, plugged in my keyboard, monitor, printer, installed mint. For a basic home use pc, web browsing, office, email, photos, etc. a couple hundred bucks. Yes I did have to install the system, but how hard is that nowadays? Put the disc in and a couple clicks, 20 minutes or so, and done.
Subject says it all I think.
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sjaak327,

Did you ever try to find the Linux computers on the Dell website? I spent a couple of hours and finally called Dell to find out where the Linux computers were located. Infuriating that a company makes a big deal out of offering Linux computers to those who want them and then hide the info so well that you can't even find it. No wonder they didn't sell a lot of them!!
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Good list but...
Str0b0 1st Aug
I notice none of the vendors offer Gentoo, which is my favorite flavor of Linux. Gentoo offers far more customization and optimization options than any of the other Linux flavors listed. Granted it takes a bit more work to install it and configure it but, it is hard to argue with the obvious speed benefits of machine specific optimization.
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@Str0b0

Gentoo is great to learn Linux, (I went through it all twice). Also great to build your own exactly as you want it.

It is NOT an end user distro as your "bit more work" sentence indicates.

What's true is that if you get your system from one of those vendors, most likely will work happily with Gentoo.

Oh, and if you really read the whole post, you'll see that you don't fall into the category of users described.
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Frostbite Systems, specializing in Linux laptops for the blind.

http://frostbitesystems.com/
It's a good thing to promote this list but I think that at least you should have assigned the credit to the Linux Pro Magazine or Carla Shroder who published exactly that list on their June 2011 issue. (Yes, I subscribed and recognized that list immediately).

Maybe it was just a coincidence. Some how the timing is quite suspicious.

Again, good for the list, bad for the appropriation.
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The top five Linux desktop vendors
ashantikonigsberg 1st Aug
Why, I thought those things are open-source/freeware? How come they actually have vendors?

Shaw Capital Management Warning
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walkedtallstoopedover 2nd Aug
How hard is it to put the darn disc into the drive and just sit there and click when it tells you to click yes/no. I have downloaded Linux os on a blank disc and loaded it onto my old laptop years ago and I had no problems. The only problem I had was the weight of the darn thing. I upgraded my newest old laptop from win vista to win7 no problems. Why do people no longer take chances. The so called nerds at Bestbuy, etc try to scare people into thinking you have to have a Doctors degree in computers to either upgrade or download or just whistle in the shower. Hell any of them will charge people up to $100.00 plus just to add memory,JUST TO ADD MEMORY! If theres a way to make money the leaches will be out to suck every last dime out of your pocket. computers are NOT that HARD to RUN!!! Do like I do if it really fails (starts to smoke,etc) throw it out and buy a new one.
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Desktops can be purchased without operating systems. My current HP dual core desktop was ordered without an OS. I have since replaced the onboard NVidia graphics with a 2GB ATI PCI 16X card and use the custom ATI Linux driver. It's about 3 years old now and I use LInux Mint 11, 64 bit installed with codecs from the DVD. It's a workhorse of a family computer and everyone uses it during the day. I have a 19" Acer monitor that I purchased several years ago for around $120.00. I added a Logitech illuminated keyboard from Best Buy for $79.00 and use Verizon FIOS with the DNS changed to Google Public DNS. This speeds up operation tremendously and I can't remember the last time I had a page not found error.

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