HTC vs. Nokia Windows Phone 8 flap misses the point
Summary: The two companies have been dueling over which one has the real Windows Phone 8 device. Their time would be better spent figuring out how to survive against Android devices and Apple's iPhone 5.
HTC and Nokia are like two 120-pound weaklings bickering over which one will be first in line to be pounded by King Kong.

The two companies have been dueling over which smartphone maker has the real Windows Phone 8 device. Their time would be better spent figuring out how to survive against Android devices and Apple's iPhone 5.
In other words, the HTC and Nokia Windows 8 bake-off---laid out nicely by CNET's Jessica Dolcourt---borders on comical. Why? Both smartphone makers are screwed.
We'll let Morgan Stanley analyst Jasmine Hu elaborate:
We think the smartphone battlefield has shifted from technology to scale, marketing and branding, which might affect consumers’ behavior in choosing their next phone, based on past user experience. Given its lack of upgradeability and limited differentiations (or less superior if comparing total apps of ~100k+ to Android’s 500k+ and iOS’s 650k+), vs Android and iOS, whether Windows 8 could regain the traction among consumers remains to be seen...The intensifying competition from the upcoming iPhone 5 and Samsung Galaxy S3 and Note II may cast a shadow on the growth outlook of HTC’s new smartphones in next few quarters.
You could cut and paste Nokia for HTC and that paragraph would still hold.
The reality here is that HTC and Nokia are bickering over which company is the real Windows 8 phone, but the reality is Samsung is likely to be a more valuable partner to Microsoft's mobile ambitions.
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Repeat after me: Scale, marketing and branding. HTC just doesn't have it. Nokia used to have all three. Today those qualities are debatable for Nokia. The smartphone market in the U.S. is saturated and will become saturated in Europe and Asia in the not too distant future. Is there really room for HTC, Nokia and Samsung in the Windows Phone 8 device race (assuming Microsoft's branding gives the mobile OS a push)? Probably not. As a result, you'd have to place your Windows Phone bets on Samsung. Nokia lacks the U.S. clout and is losing ground around the world.
That's why analysts are as dismissive of HTC and its Windows Phone 8 devices as they were of Nokia.
Macquarie analyst Daniel Chang said:
Due to Microsoft’s tight control of OS/UI/specs, Windows Phone 8 smartphone makers can only try to differentiate their Windows Phones in hardware spec and design. Unfortunately, after a few boom years, all smartphone makers have been able to adopt high spec components for their phones. HTC tries to differentiate itself from peers by using external feature design such as audio (Beats) or external cases. However, we find little differentiation here. We believe Windows Phone 8 competition will be based purely on branding, cost, channel and MSFT’s support. All things considered, we think Nokia has an advantage over HTC, except HTC has stronger recognition in the U.S.; but we don’t think Windows Phone 8 can be a game-changer for HTC or Nokia.
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Has new iPhone survived own Map Service yet?
This is an idiotic article
Then quotes Morgan Stanley who say "We THINK the smartphone battlefield has shifted" (that's a safe way of saying 'we don't really know').
Then Larry says "The smartphone market in the U.S. is saturated and will become saturated in Europe and Asia in the not too distant future".
So then nobody will buy any phones, according to that statement.
I'm seeing this as Larry being wrong, yet again.
I agree
I seem to recall the EXACT same argument being made for a little product named XBOX that was going to flop and bring about the end of Microsoft. Sure, MS bled out millions of dollars with the first system alone, but now it is one of their most profitable divisions period.
I can't tell you how excited I am for WP8. I'm tired of both Android and Apple. According to the author of this article, I should just settle for less and accept it. Glad other companies think differently.
Right!!!
Now that Microsoft had converged their products - Win8 for PCs, Win8 for tablets, WP8 for smartphones... You will feel the effect of the Big Microsoft hitting markets really soon... Don't forget how much Windows XP and 7 had sold (Vista is the exception) but ... believe me, when Microsoft place their puzzle parts and when they are really ready they can make the market shake...
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i think your right
"I'm tired of both Android and Apple"
I, myself, own android and apple products and are sick of how they are both doing business. I hope windows make a few start moves, and focus on what customers want. After all, thats what Apple USED to do.
Right!
Laughing at
Apple OS 7% market share after 28 years
Apple's market share
windows 8
Does it really matter?
Whilst HTC and Nokia might be fighting, consumers are shopping elsewhere anyway.
Missing Apps?
Be it Amazon Kindle, Amazon mobile, word press, Weather channel, Netflix, eBay, evernote, facebook, etc.. Need I continue with the list of Apps that are “not” on the platform?
I can name an app or two that is not on the others, Office and for me Zune, do not knock it until you have tried it.
I have an iphone as well, and I have been thru all the failed updates and the, your holding your phone wrong antenna issue, and there is nothing wrong with the battery life, after the iOS 4 update, you just need a new battery.
Those who drank the apple juice did not say a single bad word towards Apple, however they proclaimed, “It’s all good, and Apple will fix it soon”; how long did it take Apple?
Sorry, got distracted.
Windows Phone 8 is a different beast
This is an easy push for the big developers (e.g. Rovio), and makes the Windows Phone marketplace a 'feasible adventure' of sorts of all iOS/Android developers.
The gaming experience on Windows Phone 8 will be substantially better than WP7 thanks to DirectX, as well as the prospect of using engines such as Havok and Unreal. XBOX on Windows Phone would be among the top, if not the top for mobile gaming.
MS Office Suite and integrated Skype (and other VoIP solutions) would be genuine enterprise offerings thanks to the fact that WP8 devices will possess solid software and hardware encryption. Firms using Exchange/365 and MS Office Suite on PCs would be intrigued to say the least (as opposed to turned off by WP7's lack of security).
And lets not forget hardware. Previous gen WPs were lower spec'd and in areas where it apparently mattered (e.g. core counts, HD screens, cameras, etc.) they lost out to competitors. This is not the case with WP8 handsets.
Windows Phone 8 has the ingredients to succeed, heck unlike WP7 new WP8 adopters would have access to up wards of 100 000 apps from the get-go, as well as matured map/navigation, VoIP, social networking and media (e.g. video, camera, etc) solutions integrated into the OS...
...a feat unthinkable to me when I bought the Focus in December 2010. I agree however that marketing will be key, it will be integral and will make/break Windows Phone 8.
You mean the fasting climbinb app store ever? closing in on 120K
http://www.windowsphoneapplist.com/en/stats/
2708 new apps last week alone
30K "approved" developers yet alone those that arent official.
And why would people be fighting over the newer phone that is bringing together 93% marketshare of the desktops as well -- and a phone OS -- and bringing them together as one?
Because that is the future and not fractured toy OSes
Climbing*
Dontcha
Following the industry...
Re: You mean the fasting climbing app store ever?
I don’t think so. Users aren’t going to even consider Windows unless they can do every single thing they can already do on Android on it, and then some. We’ve already been burnt by the debacle with Angry Birds not running on the Nokia Lumia 610, people are not going to be fooled a second time.