RIM and BlackBerry 10: Palm 2.0 or a real comeback?
Summary: The drumbeat for BlackBerry 10 is getting louder. Whether RIM is merely Palm 2.0 or on the comeback trail remains to be seen. The reality is we're all guessing the outcome.
Research in Motion is pounding the BlackBerry 10 drum ahead of a late January launch of its potentially company saving devices. What's unclear is whether reality will clash with the early enthusiasm.

In the end we're all guessing about BlackBerry 10's success or failure. Frankly, it all boils down to whether you believe in RIM and whether a long-delayed BlackBerry 10 platform can generate consumer and corporate support.
Rest assured that most mobile players---tech buyers, carriers and everyone in the food chain---wants a viable No. 3 platform. No one wants an Android-Apple duopoly. That fear is why folks root for Windows Phone and BlackBerry 10 to succeed. Carriers will push both if only to diversify.
But that doesn't mean folks will have Crackberry addictions all over again.
This small reality check comes ahead of RIM's earnings report on Thursday. Many analysts are writing the quarter off. Simply put, RIM's third quarter is going to stink. The company is expected to lose 35 cents a share on revenue of $2.66 billion in its fiscal third quarter. The fourth quarter doesn't look much better since RIM will only have a month of selling BlackBerry 10 devices under its belt.
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All that matters for RIM right now is keeping subscribers and cash burn. The more cash on hand, the more RIM can market BlackBerry 10.
In March and beyond, we'll know if RIM is a keeper or just another replay of Palm. Remember Palm? That company had a great platform, took too long to get it out and then failed to get consumer support. HP bought it and Palm became an even bigger debacle.
RIM has enterprises testing BlackBerry 10 and carriers all around the world on deck.
But we're all guessing about the BlackBerry 10 fate. The analysts are almost comical at this point. To wit:
National Bank Financial analyst Kris Thompson said:
Check out RIM’s stock move vs. Apple over the past three months. RIM is entering a material product upgrade cycle. Apple seems to be exiting a strong iPhone cycle; the iPhone 5 is a big let-down vs. previous models. If RIM delivers with the BB10 the stock should move higher; otherwise it’s likely back to US$6.
That's a big "if."
Evercore Mark McKechnie said:
We remain cautious on the chances for a turnaround at RIM as the iOS and Android ecosystems accelerate and also begin to offer RIM-like capabilities through open Mobile Device Management (“MDM”) software platforms. We also expect a slow ramp of BBX as it will require the deployment of new BES 10 servers in the enterprise, versus competitive SAAS-type MDM offerings.
And Morgan Stanley analyst Ehud Gelblum considers RIM to be Palm 2.0:
Shares continue to run as expectations build ahead of the BB10 launch, but we continue to see a low probability RIM becomes a viable third mobile OS. We nonetheless believe the stock remains strong into the launch, similar to Palm.
Bottom line: Your take on RIM largely depends on a leap of faith. Do I believe? I believe RIM has a large enough base to work with. The company can survive with a viable platform that will appeal to the installed base in developed markets and ultimately emerging ones too. I don't believe that RIM can ever get back to its glory days.
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Talkback
RIM nothing like Palm - analyst quotes are hilarious
Agreed
1. Even if RIM is loosing money, it has money to loose and doesn't need outside investors to keep it afloat.
2. RIM is not as narrow-minded as Palm was. When devices were getting bigger, Palm insisted on a tiny screen with keys so small only a chipmunk could type on them
3. RIM is seriously courting game developers. Game developers are probably the deciding factor in whether a platform will survive. The highest downloaded apps are games. Get the big, popular game houses on board and there's a shot. Android wasn't taken seriously until gamers validated it.
4. RIM still has a huge following that Palm didn't. Step outside of North America (specifically Asia, Africa and parts of Europe) and you'll see that there is potential. Not to mention the legions of ex-Blackberry owners who would leave iPhone & Android given a serious effort from RIM.
5. RIM is surprisingly agile. They see what the trends are and are attempting to address them. Playbook had a lukewarm reception (although it is an outstanding device). They see 10" tablets are also selling and are preparing to release of them also.
I've listened to the YouTube sessions Blackberry sponsored featuring the team lead from The Astonishing Tribe, the CEO, other lead developers. I'm personally convinced RIM has a shot. Unlike Palm and even Microsoft, RIM has shed it's arrogant leadership and seems to have replaced it with someone with the guts to do what's needed, not just what's popular en vogue.
And before anyone says it, I'm not on RIM's payroll.
I am, though, one of those Android developers they bought by giving free Playbooks to those who ported apps over. They're VERY developer friendly - doesn't cost a DIME to become a developer or submit apps. That's makes them very attractive to indi devs and also what made Appl's App Store & Android Market blow up...Microsoft, are you listening?
Also agree
4. RIM still has a huge following that Palm didn't. Step outside of North America (specifically Asia, Africa and parts of Europe) and you'll see that there is potential. Not to mention the legions of ex-Blackberry owners who would leave iPhone & Android given a serious effort from RIM.
I reckon this correct from my European standpoint.
Also there are legions of corporate customers still using BB in one form or another and if this is a decent release it will be so easy for the IT team to bring it in using existing agreements. And I for one will look forward to a good battery life, keypad and handling of weak signal conditions. As good as my Curve I hope.
I'll second your second
I'm up for an upgrade. My phone person told me to wait until after January to see what the company does with the Blackberry contract.
RIM Will not be like Palm
There was a big following outside of these markets and the devices never arrived.
If RIM is able to have Blackberry Jam in Asia it means that they are interested in this market and I believe this market will be able to support the rebounds of RIM. The North American and European markets are not as important as a decade or two ago anymore.
Insulse article
RIM comeback
just curious have you used BB10 yet?
Palm comparison is growing old, it never had the user base that RIM has and Palm was losing money year after year.
For RIM it will take some time to get users back on side, I see their market share inch upward and I expect RIM to ship in excess of 40 million phones in fiscal year 2014 (Mar2013-Feb 2014)
Market Share is next to meaningless. What I would like to see is
Pagan jim
Market Share is only meaningless when talking Macs
Yet even with a smaller profit margins on iPhones, it was the market share (quantity) thats making Apple the money now.
I would consider moving back to Blackberry, if OS 10 doesn't stink
I switched to Android, but then quickly again to iPhone, and I've been happy. But I do admit - I miss the physical keyboard of the BB.
So I'm hoping that RIM can get it together and deliver a solid product ... I'd love to see BB re-enter the smartphone lineup.
For anyone moving towards or back to BB...
BlackBerry 10: AWESOME. If the hardware matches it, RIM jobs are safe
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/23/bb10_latest_ui/
What is killing bb
Thats not true anymore, you dont pay extra for BB
Still true on ATT and Verizon
your already paying it,
Android need not be a single market...
OK...BB10 is coming. So...where are the devices?
If RIM doesn't have smartphones capable of being compared to the iPhone 4S/5 or G-SIII or G-Note II, the BB10 platform might as well be vaporware from outer space. It would be crazy if the RIM software were to be licensed to device makers to develop their own handsets to get the new RIM OS going.
Imagine a G-Note with BB10? That could be cool.
There are plenty out there
RIM...$30 to $40 a share not far away!
This phone is ridiculously awesome. HDMI and USB inputs/outputs. same screen size and Samsung Galaxy (yes bigger than the iphone) easy to drop and drag music, photos videos as your phone just acts as ausb drive like all previous Blackberry's, but now with BBVoice so you can talk to other blackberry users for free around the world as long as you have wireless internet. This phone has features that are so awesome they are just letting them out of the bag every week. This is a break through phone which will get back all the old blackberry customers.
Now that the 2 bozos stepped down Rim is on the right path. they are streamlined, have a great product and well managed.
Rim will get back a good amount of market share in terms of smartphone and tablets over the next few years and i believe they will stay in the game for a long long time!
It's Not Up To The Carriers, It's Up To The Customers
In short, it seems inevitable that BB10 will go the way of Windows Phone: if even Microsoft's massive marketing resources cannot persuade punters to buy into a proprietary platform, what chance does RIM have?
The only realistic future competitor to Android will have to be another open-source one.