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Internet Explorer is the safest Web browser!? Ha!

By | October 12, 2011, 8:46am PDT

Summary: Microsoft is trying again to con people into thinking that Internet Explorer is the safest browser around. It’s not. At best, it’s tied with Chrome.

According to Microsoft, Chrome on Linux only gets a 2.5 for security!

According to Microsoft, Chrome on Linux only gets a 2.5 for security!

Microsoft has always been fond of paying analysts to say that its products are best, or having partners release reports showing how their rivals’ products are second-rate, and, now, Web sites that “show” how Internet Explorer (IE) is better than Chrome and Firefox when it comes to security. Really? Didn’t Microsoft just release yet another major Internet Explorer patch?

I quote from the IE patch update (MS11-081), which apples to all currently supported versions of Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer and IE 6 as well: “The most severe vulnerabilities could allow remote code execution if a user views a specially crafted Web page using Internet Explorer. An attacker who successfully exploited any of these vulnerabilities could gain the same user rights as the local user. Users whose accounts are configured to have fewer user rights on the system could be less impacted than users who operate with administrative user rights.”

Yes, that includes IE 9, the best and most up-to-date IE which is only available on Windows 7. Isn’t it funny how Microsoft claims that IE 9 is the most secure of its browser family, but somehow it has to have the same problems fixed that exist in IE 6, 7, and 8? Could it be that it’s really not that different after all from the rest of its historically insecure family?

If you go to Microsoft’s Web browser security “test” site, Your Browser Matters though, it will tell you that IE 9, with a score of four, is the most secure browser of all. Funny, it told me that it was the most secure both before and after the patch.

As for the other browsers, it informs me that Firefox 7.01 only rates a 2, and Chrome 14 gets a 2.5. And, this I might add, were my scores on my Mint Linux desktop!

How can they produce such clearly nonsensical results? It’s because they’re setting the rules on what’s important and what’s not. So, for example, Microsoft give IE full credit for its SmartScreen malware detection software. With SmartScreen, software that signed with a digital certificate that Microsoft trusts is allowed to be saved or ran. Chrome, on the other hand, blocks known malware, but lets you save unknown, potentially dangerous programs.

On the other hand, if you do download malware with Chrome, the program is still stuck in a sandbox, where it has very limited abilities to actually attack your system.

Besides that, Chrome automatically upgrades browser extensions as security fixes come out. Since programs like Adobe Flash are often used for attacks these days, and in Flash’s case there have been 17 significant patches in the last 16 months, I think automatic security updates for Flash and other potential problem programs are a big deal. While Microsoft acknowledges that it doesn’t provide these important features, it doesn’t take away any points for lacking them from its perfect score.

Interesting judgement call there Microsoft.

Johnathan Nightingale, Mozilla’s director of Firefox engineering, also has trouble with what factors Microsoft considers important and what it doesn’t. “Mozilla is fiercely proud of our long track record of leadership on security. We believe that being safe on the Web means having a robust browser that defends against malware and phishing, includes new technologies to help sites and users secure themselves, and a responsive security team that gets security updates out quickly and reliably. Microsoft’s site is more notable for the things it fails to include: security technologies like HSTS [HTTP Strict Transport Security], privacy tools like Do Not Track, and vendor response time when vulnerabilities are discovered,” said Nightingale.

Exactly so. Firefox has long been a leader in browser security. True, Microsoft has gotten a lot better about security, but Firefox was doing it when the horribly unsafe IE 6 was still the best Microsoft could do. True, today. you can make Windows and IE relatively safe. No, really you can. All you have to do is constantly and regularly patch it.

Those of us who use other operating systems, like Linux and Mac OS X, and alternative browsers such as Chrome and Firefox, can sit back and relax more. Don’t get me wrong. We must patch our software as well. As security guru Bruce Schneier points out, “Security is a process, not a product.”

Security also isn’t something though that you measure by a Web site that, when you get down to it, simply checks to see what your browser you’re running is IE 9 or not. Deciding what’s a secure Web browser a lot more complicated than that. Personally, thanks to Chrome’s auto-updating and sandboxing, I feel a lot safer running Chrome on Windows than I ever will running IE.

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system

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Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, aka sjvn, has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was the cutting edge, PC operating system; 300bps was a fast Internet connection; WordStar was the state of the art word processor; and we liked it.

His work has been published in everything from highly technical publications (IEEE Computer, ACM NetWorker, Byte) to business publications (eWEEK, InformationWeek, ZDNet) to popular technology (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, PC World) to the mainstream press (Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, BusinessWeek).

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RE: Internet Explorer is the safest Web browser!? Ha!
danielsweb 8th Nov
@bobiroc HA Internet Explorer would have to be the most crappiest, slowest browser out there.
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With Linux LSM: Zero-Days Don't Matter
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate Updated - 12th Oct
It's funny. Ed Bott writes well. I like him. He knows Windows reasonably well but puts out a 'contentious' article.

Naturally, the comments were the typical mix, but I have to say the Moderators have been doing a tap dance with football cleats again and tore through the blog with deletions left and right, mine included.

Anyhow, I think I am safe with my comments here.

Personally, I think it's Microsoft trying to do damage control and prop up the 'image' of their security in general by making a showing and taking a position against Chrome and Firefox.

That's understandable but it's sort of like Pot meets Kettle.
I have a job to do and I am working cooperatively with both camps.

As for browser security in general here is my take:

o Microsoft feathers their own nest by putting Office and IE in a sandbox
o Microsoft Windows does not offer third-party developers any form of sandbox facility
o Google Chrome offers a sandbox (for Windows, but cannot guarantee it will not be compromised)
o Google Chrome offers an SUID sandbox for Linux which is reasonably secure insofar as stopping zero-day and other vulnerabilities.
o Linux offers Linux Security Modules (LSM)
o Ubuntu Linux uses LSM AppArmor as its sandbox facility
o Linux Developers can trust that their App will be protected by LSM and so not need to bolster their code with security features as is needed in Windows, for example Adobe Reader.

Personally, I use Chrome less than I do Firefox and given there is a standard profile for Ubuntu (/etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.firefox) I trust LSM to do its job regarding security.

The patches for *whatever* is reported on a daily basis will come along if/as/when they become available in Ubuntu daily updates. I pay no attention to the 'noise chatter' on Zero-Day when it comes to Linux.

But I have to focus on the Zero-Day stuff for Windows b/c it's pretty problematic as far as security is concerned.

Windows security is so problematic that a recent article shows that the 'Father of SSL' has been so outspoken as to say "Windows is a terrible operating system...":

h-t-t-p://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/101111-elgamal-251806.html?hpg1=bn

Now, if you took the time to read the above link, you'd plainly see, the issue is not so much SSL as it is Windows 'accomodating' malware to perpetrate a unique exploit.

Had Windows kept the Malware from attaching in the first place, there'd have been no SSL hack.

So, I really have to laugh about the Internet Explorer thing--safe?--nah.

Is Firefox going to have a zero-day exploit tomorrow?
Maybe, but with Linux and LSM, it doesn't matter.

Thanks Steve.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz:

Now go read the article again without the ABM-tinted glasses on. Elgamal, one of the authors of SSL also proclaimed that "All the different browsers in the world are using TLS which is known to have that weakness". This is a weakness in SSL/TLS1.0 which has been known for over four years now and yet is still not fixed.

What he DID say that was valid is that if you have a machine that is compromized with malware, then it's game over. Period. Doesn't matter if its Windows, Linux, OSX, iOS, Android or whatever - if you're infected, you're (potentially) hosed.

Elgamal made an off the cuff comment about something he's clearly not up to date on since Vista, Windows has employed UAC - a security barrier similar to Linux' SUDO. Ever since Windows Vista, Windows users are pretty much as protected as Linux users. If they use IE, they're also protected via a number of important anti-phishing and anti-malware capabilities that have improved exponentially over the coming years. Chrome and (to a lesser degree), FF, also have improved their security capabilities, but not necessarily to the same degree.

Oh, and for what it's worth, WebKit, the HTML rendering engine Chrome uses, patches HUGE numbers of vulns on a regular basis. Take, for example, Apple's iTunes 10.5 update wthat patches 86 vulns, of which 73 were WebKit vulns.

Patching vulns is good - it results in significantly improved user safety.

Oh ... and as I have pointed out each time you bleat on about LSM/AppArmor - those technologies are not without their own issues either:

AppArmor is only enabled selectively on a per-app basis - it's not a system-wide barrier. This can lull the ignorant into a false sense of security which can INCREASE their vulnerability to malware
LSE can be compromized via RootKits and malware masquerading as security modules so it doesn't prevent or protect a user if malware gets installed.
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Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate 12th Oct
@bitcrazed

"AppArmor is only enabled selectively on a per-app basis - it's not a system-wide barrier. This can lull the ignorant into a false sense of security which can INCREASE their vulnerability to malware"

Of course AppArmor is designed for use by application. There's no getting lulled -- just configure the app, enable, and forget it's there. It does the job.

"LSE can be compromized via RootKits and malware masquerading as security modules so it doesn't prevent or protect a user if malware gets installed."

Your saying so does not make it so. Please substantiate how.
@Tsingi: Like UAC, SUDO is a barrier, not a platform-level security "feature". Once you've crossed the barrier, you're able to affect the OS at the most fundamental level.

While most users shouldn't ever need to elevate in UAC / enter SUDO, some will. For example - I am a software developer and so need to make system-wide changes to my machine in order to debug, profile, deploy and manage the apps I build.

However, most of my users don't.
@ldo17 You are saying that group policy is not able to prevent you from running certain programs? Do some reading before you flame...
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate wrote:
"Microsoft Windows does not offer third-party developers any form of sandbox facility

SumatraPDF is a light, open-source alternative to Adobe Reader. It is also a Windows-only app.

Sandboxing SumatraPDF using the the icacls command. First the exe and dll files:
$ cd C:\Program Files\SumatraPDF
$ icacls SumatraPDF.exe /setintegritylevel low
$ icacls libmupdf.dll /setintegritylevel low
$ icacls npPdfViewer.dll /setintegritylevel low
$ icacls PdfFilter.dll /setintegritylevel low
$ icacls PdfPreview.dll /setintegritylevel low

Now a folder for SumatraPDF to save (i.e., write) downloaded PDF files in:
$ cd C:\Users\username
$ icacls Downloads /setintegritylevel (OI)(CI)low

SumatraPDF now runs as a low integrity level process and cannot save (or write) PDF files to folder C:\Users\username\Documents. However, it can save PDF files to folder C:\Users\username\Downloads.

Now, why could not a 3rd party developer add similar to his/her install program?

You can use Sysinternals Process Explorer to verify that SumatraPDF runs as a low integrity level process. For added protection, download, install and configure EMET from Microsoft and add SumatraPDF as a protected app. This setup will also offer protection from 0-days.
@Rabid Howler Monkey - NIIIIIIICE! happy Thanks for sharing happy
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@Rabid Howler Monkey
...not to mention a disallowed-by-default Software Restriction Policy, which has been a staple of my security strategy for years. Even a successful exploit still needs to execute its payload, and SRP arbitrarily nukes the usual approaches from orbit (for a non-Admin). If you can save the payload somewhere, you can't run it. Anywhere you can run it from, you can't save it to. This was solid gold on WinXP, and only got better with Vista and 7 since everyone is a de-facto non-Admin by default.

The beauty of IE is central manageability, something Google finally got clued in to last year, and which Mozilla apparently has vowed never to support. The ability to deploy, audit, patch, configure, enforce and secure it by the thousands, whether the users want to cooperate or not... that's big.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate

You really like to hear yourself talk huh? Non-squitur at best.
@DTM - you're smugness about experiencing a zero-day attack makes Mac users seem, well, HUMBLE.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate
Say Ole Buddy, where were you yesterday?? You were no where to be found, I'll stake my reputation on it!
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz *
I don't even use Internet Explorer anymore. magento templates
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RE: Internet Explorer is the safest Web browser!? Ha!
LoverockDavidson_-24231404894599612871915491754222 Updated - 12th Oct
SJVN is trying again to con people into thinking that Chrome is the safest browser around. Its not. At best, its tied with Internet Explorer.

That was easy to debunk your arguments.

And, this I might add, were my scores on my Mint Linux desktop!

Congrats, you just told the world that linux is insecure! Let it be known that Chrome has its share of vulnerabilities, and I wouldn't trust Google since they have to pay people to find and fix the bugs in it.
@LoverockDavidson_ Also note that SJVN regularly proclaims Chrome's dominance based on the results of vendor-supplied benchmarks and HTML compliance test suites that are out of date and/or massively boost a browser's compliance scores if they implement features that aren't even part of the proposed standard.

In short, SJVN will do anything and everything to promote Anyone But Microsoft's browsers while berating Microsoft for playing him at his own game.

If you're expecting objective journalism, you won't find it here.
@LoverockDavidson_

Are you suggesting Microsoft's IE developing team works for free?
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Got you now, Lovey, you crafty devil!
radleym Updated - 12th Oct
@LoverockDavidson_ I can't help it, lovey.......
HAHAHAHAHA!
You are.one funny fellow. I used to think.you were just a simple, ignorant MS troll. Now I realize that somebody as ignorant (ei. Wrong) as you are couldn't possibly make a living (or remember to breath), so now I know you're actually bait for (other) MS shills that are stupid enough to believe the crap you espouse.
Way to go, lovey, keep up the good.work.
"Linux can only play one note at a time." Remember that one, Lovey? HAHAHAHAHA!
Hilarious!
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@radleym

Creepiest post ever written.
@radleym

Where is the post you are responding to?
@LoverockDavidson_
Just one simple question. How can a Linux Mint desktop be tested for IE9, or any version of IE for that matter? It isn't that Mint is or is not secure, it's that the web site put up by Microsoft is irrelevant.
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RE: Internet Explorer is the safest Web browser!? Ha!
Cylon Centurion Updated - 12th Oct
IE9 offers better protection against social engineering attacks more than any other browser out there. It also offers smartscreen technology that no other browser has, and ActiveX controls that Chrome and Firefox only get with the inclusion of the Adblock and NoScript addons.

Combined with the underlying safety feature in Windows 7, and you have yourself a sturdy wall of protection.



Take Firefox 7 and go download a file. What do you see? You get the name of the file, it's size, and the domain you're downloading from. Neat, right? Right there Firefox is making the user judge whether or not it's a legit file. You call that secure? Epic fail.

IE9 can check that file against a list of known bad files, and if it's flagged, makes you jump through hoops to even begin downloading it.
@Cylon Centurion

Why do you bother? I saw the headline and knew instantly it was SJVN. All the browser's have their strengths but IE9 is pretty damn good. One thing I think I would like it to add would be autoupdate of web extensions.
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@bobiroc

Why does Windows continue to insist on bundling a browser with their own operating system and giving IE9 an unfair advantage in the first place?

Answer that question and you'll find out why some of us on the other side bother...
@ScorpioBlue

Why does Apple insist on bundling a browser with their OS? Why do various forms of Linux decide to Bundle a browser like Firefox with their OS? Why does Google Bundle Google Products with their OSes? Why does GM bundle a AC/Delco Radio with their cars?

There is nothing anti-competitive about bundling in other products with another. The browser is a standard part of Windows and EVERY OTHER FRICKEN OS out there because the internet is a standard function of computing for the vast majority. I know you are a little slow on the uptake but I didn't think you were that slow.

Now if Microsoft was doing something to prevent other browsers from being installed then that is a different story. Despite the lawsuits of 10+ years ago that has never happened.

The reason you are on any side is because you are clueless and that is the only reason. You hate what you do not understand just like most of the sheep of the world.

Good Day!
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That's because Apple has only 9% of the desktop market while MS has 90%. Market share makes all the difference in the world. It's the price they have to pay being a monopoly. If the roles were reversed, I'd be going after Apple too.

Why do various forms of Linux decide to Bundle a browser like Firefox with their OS?

Linux is not a company. Canonical and the dozens of distros are not part of the same organization. Of course we can also twist that around and 'get stupid' about it by asking why doesn't MS build a version of IE9 for Linux. Hmm?

Why does Google Bundle Google Products with their OSes?

And that OS that hasn't really taken off anywhere. When they get to 90% then give me a ring.

Why does GM bundle a AC/Delco Radio with their cars?

@bobiroc's confusion about cars and computers. Or it's another stupid red herring excuse on bobiroc's part. Which is it? Are you confused or are you trying to change the subject.

There is nothing anti-competitive about bundling in other products with another.

The European Union thought differently. We need to have the same set of standards here.

The browser is a standard part of Windows and EVERY OTHER FRICKEN OS out there because the internet is a standard function of computing for the vast majority. I know you are a little slow on the uptake but I didn't think you were that slow.

That wasn't true until IE5 when it was brought to the attention of the Justice Department that MS was engaging in these kinds of sleazy proprietary practices. Before that, people had a choice as to what browser they wanted to FTP. Did you forget that? Is your memory starting to fail you? Or has it gone selective?

See, your narrow mind so used to it being there that you can't fathom that that was not always the case.
Now if Microsoft was doing something to prevent other browsers from being installed then that is a different story. Despite the lawsuits of 10+ years ago that has never happened.

It helps having political connections in Washington although thank God for the European Union. At least they had the sense to speak up about it and do something about it.
The reason you are on any side is because you are clueless and that is the only reason.

You don't even know your own browser's history pal so you're not one to talk.

You hate what you do not understand just like most of the sheep of the world.

Those that choose to blindly follow the monopoly without question, are the sheep bobiroc. And unlike you, I understand perfectly what a monopoly is.

Good Day!

Thank you, I will. lol... grin
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IE
kyron.gustafson@... 13th Oct
@ScorpioBlue... Before IE there was Netscape Navigator and it wasn't open source and it wasn't free. Tech Support was lousy - their techs acted like they were doing you a favor by just talking to you.

By making IE free, and bundling it with the most widely used operating system, Microsoft opened the internet to the world.

Microsoft should be congratulated.
@ScorpioBlue... Before IE there was Netscape Navigator and it wasn't open source and it wasn't free.

It was, after January 1998

Tech Support was lousy - their techs acted like they were doing you a favor by just talking to you.

Never called them so I could care less.

But then I never bothered with calling Microsoft after I was charged $100 placing a service call to them. That would have been sometime in 1999-2000

By making IE free, and bundling it with the most widely used operating system, Microsoft opened the internet to the world.

Yes that's part of the embrace, extend, extinguish categotry Microsoft's been praticing since the mid-90s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

Microsoft should be congratulated.

Microsoft should be investigated once again for monopolistic behavior. They haven't changed their tune at all.
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@bobiroc

Microsoft INTEGRATED IE as part of Windows so it is impossible to uninstall. Yes, you can delete the executable file, but all the system and dll files are still there and can not be deleted without destroying the OS.

Linux distributions can bundle firefox, chrome, opera, or whatever browser they like. However, the important FACT which you ignored, is that the browser can be COMPLETELY uninstalled, with no harm to the system at all.

So IE gets a distinctly unfair advantage on any windows system. And of course Microsoft will claim it's the best, reals facts do not count with Microsoft.
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@bobiroc

I have no problem with MS bundling IE with Windows. I just wish it wasn't so heavily entwined into the OS that you absolutely cannot, no-way, not-ever uninstall IE from Windows. THAT'S the difference between IE and Safari. You can uninstall Safari from OS X.

Sure, you can make Firefox or Safari or (insert your favorite browser here) the default browser for you Windows system. That doesn't mean that IE was removed. Nor can you remove it from the system.

And I believe that IE9 is a stinking pile. I've got a co-worker who uses it on the same system and it is constantly locking up and even not displaying some of our internal pages correctly. IE8 and Firefox (and Chrome) all display those pages properly. One is the page where we check on and apply for vacation time.
@bobiroc HA Internet Explorer would have to be the most crappiest, slowest browser out there.
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@Cylon Centurion

Fact is that all the major web browsers are insecure, by default. Why?
o JavaScript enabled
o IFrames enabled
o Images automatically loaded (including malverts)
o Flash Player plug-in enabled
o Java plug-in enabled

Then blacklisting is used in an attempt to protect the user from known bad sites and bad downloads.

This is akin to leaving one's front door open and having a bouncer turn away visitors whose names are on a blacklist.
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upgrade now
bezoeker 14th Oct
@Cylon Centurion
The advise of Microsoft is remarkably parallel with there commercial interest.
Any independent advice should tell the user to now, I mean now, install the latest version of a browser I you have not done so. Maybe IE 9 is not available on your system. But there are most likely alternatives.
@Cylon Centurion Yeah IE flags files I know to be safe just MS doesn't want me to have or use them. My security suite does the same thing and I don't have to play russian roulette with IE :P
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Then Linux is the #1 least secure OS in the world. It is constantly patched.
@toddybottom

You made a claim with no supporting facts. Nothing, None???
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Linux isn't constantly patched?
toddybottom 12th Oct
@daikon
Do you need for me to provide supporting facts to backup that claim?
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@daikon
Ignore him - nowhere in the article does it say that patching a product makes it not secure.
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"Web sites that ???show??? how Internet Explorer (IE) is better than Chrome and Firefox when it comes to security. Really? Didn???t Microsoft just release yet another major Internet Explorer patch?"

SJVN claims that the release of a major IE patch proves it cannot be secure.
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@toddybottom
The phrase you're quoting is a reference to someone finding yet another critical bug in IE that appears in all versions between IE6 and IE9. In other words, this particular bug is over 10 years old.

To me, finding critical bugs in a piece of software every month is a sign of low quality code.
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"To me, finding critical bugs in a piece of software every month is a sign of low quality code."

Thank you.

"In other words, this particular bug is over 10 years old."

Prove it. The code in IE6 has been updated within the last 10 years. If you can't prove it, retract your statement.

"yet another critical bug"

Every critical bug in Linux is "yet" another critical bug. Linux is terrible.
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facts
Tsingi 12th Oct
@daikon so just ignore it, everyone else will.
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How would you know?
ScorpioBlue 12th Oct
Every critical bug in Linux is "yet" another critical bug. Linux is terrible.

You never use it, so...
@daikon

Sorry, but he has a point. Look at the history on Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Slackware, SUSE or any other major distro. There are literally thousands of patches released each year.

Though to be honest, these distro's release not just the OS, but ALL of the applications patches.

He either doesn't know that, or he choses to not see it. He also ignores the numbers of exploits for each system, as that would counter his claims.

One question for @toddybottom though, Why does the Chief Technical Officer for my states Highway Patrol refer to IE9 as Internet Exploder?

He says that half of his staff's time is spent closing down malware infections that got through the browser, the security software and the OS. It seems that there is a common procedure to break the Windows sandbox and user controls out there in the wild.

Note that I am typing this on a Windows 7 Laptop with Firefox 7. I have never had a malware intrusion on this system. I follow the mantra that:

"A little paranoia goes a long way."
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Define Linux
Michael Kelly 12th Oct
@toddybottom

A Linux distro certainly has a number of patches in a given time. But how many are for the operating system proper and how many are for third party programs that the distro maintains? Should Microsoft be blamed for every Adobe patch (of which there are many)?

And how many are not security patches but actual upgrades? I would venture to guess that a very small percentage of IE updates are feature upgrades while a very large percentage of updates in a Linux distro are feature upgrades.

Having said all that, I agree that patches in itself are not a bad thing and that one must examine the overall picture and not just one slice of it. But that's also why I don't pay Microsoft's browser security test much mind, because it's a loaded test. It's good to highlight what IE can do versus other browsers, but it does not demonstrate that IE has a better security record in place. I would much prefer to read about other tests from security minded organizations who are independent from MS, Google, and Mozilla.
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Interesting question
toddybottom 12th Oct
@Michael Kelly
"Should Microsoft be blamed for every Adobe patch"

Many of the posters here do.

Regardless, the fact is that there is a constant stream of critical security patches that must be applied on Linux systems.

That proves that Linux, and all the software on Linux, is made from very low quality code. Zogg states this to be true.
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More interesting stuff
ScorpioBlue 12th Oct
Regardless, the fact is that there is a constant stream of critical security patches that must be applied on Linux systems.

But few genuine actual exploits to go with them.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Linuxvirus

Here you are. You can count them all on a couple of hands.

Now if you know something that the dear folks over at Canonical don't know about, do drop them a line and help them out. Ok? wink

That proves that Linux, and all the software on Linux, is made from very low quality code. Zogg states this to be true.

Uh..no, that means they tend to be proactive as opposed to the folks in Redmond who tend to be reactive. Big difference. Look it up sometime.
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Toddybottom, I am tired of your lies
Zogg Updated - 13th Oct
@toddybottom
"That proves that Linux, and all the software on Linux, is made from very low quality code. Zogg states this to be true."

How dare you misrepresent what I said. I stated no such thing: I actually said that "finding critical bugs in a piece of software every month is a sign of low quality code". And it seems that I must also point out that a GNU/Linux OS is not a single piece of software, and that Linux is only the kernel.

If you can't be truthful then be silent.
@Michael Kelly I'd rather have security fixes released on a regular basis instead of new features.
@Zogg
How dare you misrepresent what I said. I stated no such thing: I actually said that "finding critical bugs in a piece of software every month is a sign of low quality code".
You just contradicted yourself by stating what you said is exactly what HE said you said. You said if they find critical bugs every month, then it is a sign of low quality code. Toddybottom said if Linux is fixing critical bugs every month then it's a sign of low quality code, didn't he?

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