Sun says it is working hard to make Java completely open source so Linux shops can use it.
But is it already too late?
The argument is that too many developers are now trained on Python and Ruby, and too much code is now out there, for Java to win on Linux servers.
Java still has a place in the applet area, through AJAX, but that's not the same thing, even though Java is in the name.
All this could make the upcoming JavaOne conference in San Francisco more than a little interesting, assuming someone brings it up.
Will they? Will you? It might make for good side conversations, over tea.